Big Bang - Big Dud

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dont't know how entropy work's into this. i guess it goes up like to always does.

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Entropy doesn't always go up, but the total entropy throughout the system does. Even if the total entropy within the system must go up, this doesn't rule out small decreases in entropy within the system. Just being nitpicky.[This message has been edited Loudmouth, 05-03-2004]

Hi Sylas In fact, I am a creationist. I will take your remark on my openness as a compliment. I agree that many creationists don't have such an open mind, but I think this holds for many people...I enjoyed the philosophical part of your reply too. I have to admit, despite of our different backgrounds, I agreed on most of your writings. Actually, I just proposed a new thread on cosmology of a fair philosophical level. I'm afraid my first post has become a bit extensive, so it might take some time to read it. I'm really interested what you would think of it, so, if it is approved, reply as you please.Greets Stellatic

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"What interests me is whether God had a choice when he created the world.". --Albert Einstein

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Wow - 2 threads - 2 mistakes.

2 threads two posts and not even bothering to try to correct or give an alternate viewpoint......you're not helping so why don't you just STFU

Because the post is simply so silly that it is not worth response. Even Cliff didn't buy it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Why don't you parse the bullshit yourself and figure out the error.

I got better things to do......and not being an expert I wouldn't know where to start. You seem to have a handle on this whole cosmology gig so maybe instead of coming off like a playahating troll...Why don't you help enlighten the populace???Posting snide comments does nothing but lower your esteem in these circles......that aside I would love to hear the cosmology model you most favour as in put your ass on the line. I don't need the equations to prove what you think I just want to know what you think

Eta happens to be an astrophysisist. He has taken the time to help out when we get over our heads in relativity theory or other rather difficult areas.It would be nice if he could take the time to deal with everyone's questions but I think it's better if others answered simpler questions from the limited knowledge we do have and leave Eta free for the tougher ones.If Eta suggests that something is just utter nonsense then it's probably easiest to take that as most likely right. If you want to know more you could do a bit of reseaching around and then ask specific questions here for anyone to try and answer.Some people think that they have a right to voice any opinion on these topics without having a freaking clue what it is about. Unfortunately quantum mechanics and general relativity which are at issue for some of this require a bit of advanced mathematics. When someone has that under their belt they might be ready to make some new conjectures in cosmology.Eta has, in the past, been very patient and explained errors and helped us. That doesn't mean he has to respond in detail to someone who isn't really trying to learn anything.

Unfortunately, we continue to see people who've never taken anything pass calculus to try to refute quantum mechanics and relativity all the time. Heck, I've taken a lot of physics and astrophysics courses and I tend to stay away from such technical fields on these boards.

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all that may be well and true Nosy but to dismiss somebody with a nonchalant oneliner is just plain rude...Just who do you think isn't trying to learn anything ???...speaking for myself it's why I'm here

One liners were the limits to any discourse I was going to do.

I think that all the points in the OP were discussed my many others. Can you back up and ask about something you think needs extra work?If you wish to learn you may ask some questions and we'll see what we can do. The OP material is so bad that it doesn't take any PhD to see what's wrong. I've lost track of what else may be here that needs answering.Anything by Humphreys probably has material on talkorgins (but I haven't checked).Generally once you have some understanding of the science you begin to recognize things which are made up to sound like they are scientific but are really just mumbo jumbo. They are simply more sophisticated blatherings of the same kind that 'whatever' has been doing on the topic of navel engineering in the ark thread.In any case, take some control of the thread yourself and ask questions that you think will help you learn what you want. When someone really wants to learn then there are a number of people here willing to help.

I read that Smoller/Temple thing about a leading edge and middle and it seems consistent with Guth's inflationary model about pre big bang origins and current model of curvature for an expanding spherical universe appearing flat......In line with that can you tell me if it's not inconcievable that the universe is actually the membrane of a bubble 13.7 billion years thick expanding around a fixed point with it's mass being equally distributed around said point and regulated by black holes that redistribute mass to various points of the frontiers to maintain equilibrium ???if not why not ???

What would this model predict that is different from the current consensus model? That's one thing you need to make it worth digging into.What is this central point fixed in? Is it in a higher dimensional space?