Creationist quotes and citations reflects a greater level of academic dishonesty

almeydaHave you read any of Stephen Jay Gould's numerous works, or only comments like that are taken out of context and totally missrepresent what he says?If you haven't, you might want to start with some of the sources on line. The online Stephen Jay Gould Library is a great first start. I think you will find a far better selection of material showing what he really believes there then from some site that pulls quotes out of thin air and tries to make then fit into the Creationist belief system.

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When the very first paragraph is blatantly a lie, how can you trust anything in the rest of it?Modern Science and the Scientific method did not start in Christian Europe. It began far earlier in Pagan Greece and under Islam. The idea that you must test any hypothesis, any theory, any new knowledge against the objective world came about in spite of Christian Europe. If you look at the record, time after time, the opposition to EVERY new advance in science came from the Christian Church.Look at the history of Mendel for just one example.edited to add mandatory spelling errors.This message has been edited by jar, 05-23-2004 10:59 AM

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What? :LOL:Let's look at a few of those.Mendel, ordered by the Prior to but aside his work in genetics. Judged by the Church to be incapable of Teaching or Science.Shall we talk about how Galileo fared with the Church?Now, please list which of those were POST Darwin.

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NosyNedWhile you are making a good point (it is one that I'd love to see a thread devoted to) it is not really applicable to aylmeda's post. And that post is one of the classic ways that Creationists are dishonest. I don't believe he actually understands just how much such people are lying to him and manipulating facts to support their beliefs.edited to split into two posts for notification purposes.This message has been edited by jar, 05-23-2004 11:45 PM

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almeydaThis is a clssic example of how the Creationist lobby is trying to lie and mislead you.So Almeyda. If possible, can we explore that list in a little greater depth.First, when was Darwin's Origin of the Species published?

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Once again you are avoiding the discussion and going off into totally unrelated nonsense.Please answer the question in Message 34

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Okay.You copied and pasted a list of Scientists that you said supported Creationism over Evolution.Now which of the Scientists listed in Message 27 were Dead, Dead, before the Origin of the Species was even published?

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But IIRC, Buckland, Cuvier, Copernicus, Galileo, Hershel, Leibnitz and Euler were also dead before Origins was published.Aren't you even slightly embarrassed to present an argument that says a whole bunch of people opposed a theory that had not even been published before they died? To say they supported Creationism when the alternative, Evolution had not even been proposed is about as lame as imaginable.

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