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I was under the impression the heavy metal solutes settle out in the silts of the delta's, but that shell fish accumulate these heavy metals, and the animals that eat them, are all considered unclean creatures, the heavy metals from industrilization only magnified this problem, perhaps we should just dump all those heavy metal toxins into the ocean, away from the fisheries delta's, the solution to pollution being dilution, cause we need industrilaztion, people need a decent job, voting the democrats in, to reduce industrilization is a double edged sword, cause industries only move to mexico city and pollute the air, water, we need to refocus so people have decent jobs, a decent wage, etc...p.s. With all this technology, people should be improving their quality of life, instead all we see is a depowerment of the people to work for less, curtosy of the democrats, american's are being forced to work at wages not sufficent to pay for basic needs, etc...I do think pure water is a good holistic thing, however, most of the water you drink has floride, which according to an holistic medicine shows i listened to years ago, says its a nasty element, it doesn't appear to prevent cavities, thats apparently what they said[conspirasy theories], is that it causes people to be submissive, they said hitler used it, its said, in small doses, kind of like nursing homes drugging their patients to keep them passive, you don't see people putting up much of a fuss over their jobs being shipped out of the country, appears the flouride conspiracy theory is working, etc...p.s. The environmentalists are not helping matters, all the pesticides, herbicides, its like believed in the everglades affecting gators, cause some of these compounds being estrogen based, probably explains why viagra is becoming popular, you really have to hand it to the environmentalists, all these estrogen arsenic based compounds might actually be affecting the homosexual testosterone levels, confusing their minds, though suppose they could be purged by chelation therapy, the one done by iv's by certified holistic medical doctors, to chelate the arsenic compounds out of the bio exchange sites, and it might even help other bio loops too, the problem with watershed is that it does pollute the waters, but don't see the democrats stopping the spraying of absorbable pesticides in the public schools either, and these estrogen like arsenic compounds affecting children, sexual confusion, guess it makes sense that its being allowed cause the pesticides are absorbable, and it probably is supporting the gay agenda [gosh I really like them conspiracy theories], more estrogen compounds, being absorbed by the children being taught that homosexualisms is normal, deceptively drugging the children, its like witchcraft, if they know its a poison, it should be banned in the public school, etc...

The ARK has returned. We are off into realms uncharted. And Cliff is at the helm.

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Whatever, once again you’ve decided to expound your theories on a subject you know absolutely nothing about! Most people, if they want to find out if something is dangerous or not go out and LEARN about the subject before they start to formulate their opinion, You, on the other hand, make up your own half-baked theories and then pass them on to others as if they’re gospel truth. I’m talking about your oestrogens in the environment.I apologise to Admin that this is off topic, but Whatever shouldn’t be able to post half-arsed pseudoscience without some form of rebuttal so here goes.Oestrogen mimics in the environment have very little to do with arsenical compounds to begin with. It’s mainly organic compounds such as nonylphenol and tributyl tin. Most are industrial chemicals, such as plasticizers. However, the exposure levels for humans are tiny, it’s wildlife that’s affected due to water pollution.Oestrogen mimics work by mimicking oestrogens and oestrogenic compounds. It’s hard to tell what the effects will be on humans and some have postulated that they may be responsible for the decrease in human sperm counts over the last few decades. This is a contentious point. However, the effects on teleost fish have been studied and make interesting reading. I can point you to some good references. This is a short summary of what some of the the references are saying. If male sand gobies are exposed to high levels of an oestrogenic compound, they are affected in a number of ways. They don’t develop the breeding colouration, they don’t show typical mating behaviour and they have fewer offspring (surprise, surprise). At the same time analysis of the expression of a certain gene shows that levels become elevated. The gene in question is the one which codes for egg-yolk protein (vitellogenin, to give it its Sunday name). Now, this gene should only ever be expressed in FEMALE fish because they’re the ones that lay the eggs. Males, under normal circumstances, NEVER express this gene. The expression was switched on by exposure to nonylphenol or ethinyloestradiol. This effect has been demonstrated in flounder, viviparous blenny (unusual because it doesn’t lay eggs, but gives birth to live young), fathead minnow, stickleback, plaice and many more. Not only that, but microscopy of the testes of treated fish have shown fully mature EGGS!!!!! There is a correlation between the amount of exposure to the oestrogen mimic, the expression of the vtg gene and feminisation of male fish.Now an interesting but tentative bit. When eggs are exposed to an oestrogen mimic while the fish embryo develops, the resulting fish have a lower breeding success, even when they are not exposed, suggesting that exposure to oestrogen mimics during development causes permanent effects, ie they are congenital.So, where does that leave us with your theories about chelating out the arsenic compounds? Also where does that leave your theory about homosexuality somehow being caused by pesticides? At best we can extrapolate and say that feminisation of males may result, but the levels required proved lethal to some of the fish in the experiments.Additionally, if you want to argue that homosexuality is caused by being poisoned by these chemicals, then how the devil can you consider it a sin????? There may be an argument to be made that exposure to extremely high levels of oestrogen in the womb may, I say may, have a part to play in predisposing someone to homosexuality, but if we follow your argument then it is outwith the individual’s control. Your standpoint is like blaming a child with spina bifida for their inability to walk. Also consider that human exposure to these compounds is from things like plastic milk containers, the plastic lining of soup cans etc. This has been known about and publicised for ages, yet still gets ignored. Blame big business and the political right for that.As a final point, post mortem sections of brain tissue from homosexuals has shown that some if not many have a structure in the brain which only females usually have and it develops in the womb under the influence of oestrogen. Now, I don’t have a reference for this and I may be misremembering it, so if anyone out there has heard of this research and can shed some light I’d be eternally grateful.And a final, final point, congratulations to those in the gay community in getting their long-overdue wish — equality with heterosexuals when it comes to marriage (even although it’s only limited at the moment). I hope it’s not long until this is recognised as a right across the board.

I feel its criminal to spray herbicides or pesticides in schools, many compound's they say can affect the nerves, reproduction, cause the residue is bio absorbable, its not like spina bifida, not sure about gays brain, suspect the brain is affected by these compounds, after birth, do you have studies where little children have your gay brain abnormality ?Children are especially vulnerable to toxic chemicals because their brains continue to develop throughout adolescence.http://www.pbs.org/ttc/health/pesticides.htmlI'm beginning to think there is a link to the pesticides/herbicides affecting children by these toxic substances displacing beneficial elements in the reproductive bio loops, like the testosterone receptor sites might be getting tied up by these toxic substances, causing an imbalance of the estrogen to tetosterone ratio of free testosterone, etc...http://www.nexostherapeuticals.com/me_testosterone.aspStudents are getting exposed to these substances, some are nerological, some affect the reproductive systems, yet they continue to expose children to these substances, probably reasons they are prescribing ritlin, if these compounds affect the bio loops of the endocrine reproductive system and is accumulative, might very well be affecting our children, they spray the school the residue is everywhere and its bio absorbable/thats how they kill the pests, etc...Student Exposure to Pesticides - Poisons in schoolIts kinda like this, from personal experience, befriended someone once and the social services got involved, said the house needed to be sprayed (the silver fish wasn't harming the person), noticed shortly after the pesticide spraying they started giving her anti-pychotic medicine, kinda wonder if it was the pesticides, why they felt she needed this medicine, even though they said it was safe after spraying, though I'm kind of sensitive, noticed my hands tingling, they said if was safe, yet probably rightfully suspect its was absorbing through the skin (it was this ladies home), its not not about just the breathing of these substances as its being dispersed, its about when its being absorbed through the skin by the children, but I suppose its good for the drug companies, hear they are making billions on ritlin, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 05-23-2004 09:34 AM

Whatever, you ask Well, read what I wrote closely That means that the tissue was studied AFTER DEATH and the subjects were known to be homosexual. Its hard to know if little children are homosexual, because, even though many homosexuals say they "felt different" from an early age, it isn't until adolescence that they realised just what was different.How do you suggest we do this study? Shall we ask some preschoolers if they're homosexual and if they say yes, even though they don't know what the word means, then we'll kill them to get the brain tissue? THINK, whatever, THINK!!!!!

Trixie, I'm not a coroner, but how do they know its only little girls have this part of the brain developed, and your quote said usually develops in girls, this means not always, makes one wonder if it has anything to do with anything, how do they know this part of the brain only develops in the womb,if the brain continues to develop in adolescence, I've talked to someone who took dhea to raise their testosterone levels and they started growing breasts, he said it took over a year of not taking it for his body bio's to get back to normal, these bio loops are quite scary, but at least I agree with you that some herbicides and pesticides likely lowers the testosterone levels in some people likely depending on different responses to regulating testosterone and estrogen levels in the body that varies from one person to another, some people have less free testosterone levels because the sex testosterone sites are tied up with estrogen they have less free floating testosterone, and taking dhea, has no where to go, or something like that, so one needs to be cautious in regards to hormone supplementation, suspect some people are more suseptible to pesticides, herbicides(messing with their bio loops), but this is likely only a conspiracy theory, kinda like women taking estrogen, which ladies are taking estrogen supplements that appears to be causing cancer, and if they stop taking it causes excessive bone loss, appears the answer to some womens bio loop is to find an alternative medical doctor to cipher your individual bio's and if possible instead of giving you E1, E2, with little E3 in what medical doctors prescribes made out of horses urine, there is a more holistic approach to have a compounding pharamacists make E3 which is more normal for ladies, before giving them strong levels of E1 & E2 because healthy women don't have high levels of E1 & E2, they have 80 percent E3, I'd read some of Terry Dorian's books if your interested in all this bio stuff, etc...P.S. I'm not a doctor or nothin, but think the book that talked about the problems with E1 & E2 was writin in a book by Terry Dorian called overcoming the madness(think its out of print), like ladies that have an historectomy have such mood problems that this approach might save a marriage(cause the doctors are likely overloading them with E1 & E2 estrogens (not to mention all the equine estrogens present) however would consult an holistic medical doctor to monitor(normal doctors are kind of stuck in their box, horse estrogens to them seem to be the way to go) so might need to find an holistic medical doctor, cause of the bio loops, levels of estrogen, testosterone all should be monitored with cortisol levels, to see if there are other bio problems that arise, like some men take testosterone and convert it to estrogen, its like a case by case need to monitor thing, etc... http://www.healthbeginsinhim.org/partner/...
{Shortened display form of URL, to restore page width to normal - Adminnemooseus}P.S. The problem with pesticides is that they can be absorbed through the skin, gators likely get a diluted amount, but these kids are absorbing it daily full strength, when the dose runs out its likely time to respray, their brains are still developing, and they keep being exposed in the residue of the pesticides. Do you really believe toxic pesticides residue is safe, not bio absorbable, like they seem to be saying, cause the whole school is being sprayed, kind of reminds me when they sprayed America with ddt, and said that was safe too. Rachael Carson warned about these hazards, but big buisness is not about not making money on selling these products, so I like these conspiracy theories, cause no one seems to care about little children absorbing all these deadly toxins, or how they maybe affecting their development,etc... I suspect the big drug companies do care, cause they are making billions off ritlin, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 05-23-2004 08:47 PMThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 05-23-2004 11:27 PM

Not unless you are 14, 15, 16 as well. What homosexual leadership? You mean that ONE situation that the scout leader had been one for years, was liked and respected by all that knew him, never had any complaints filed at all, came out of the closet? For that, he was reduced to a creepy sex offender by people like you. You keep mentioning sodomy; are lesbians exempt for this? What if two gay men mutually satisfy each other, or just kiss and satisy themselves? If not, then why keep using the word sodomy? Can two men hold hands and not be in danger of violating your bibical interpretation? If so, why?And what's the deal with dragons? Treasures? Interesting when people are inflicted with hideous diseases?
I can't take it anymore. BTW, it's AIDS, not Aid's. You call diseases that you believe your loving god created, treasures?
You scare me.
Are there any diseases inflicted upon religous people that con their flock out of money?
What makes you think that I am in "the free sex mentality"?
Do you really think that unless I (we) become brain washed by your cult, that we have sex in the streets with anybody/thing we want? You need Lithium.
Since this is off topic (again), I'm bowing out. I have to say though, that I have never conversed with anyone like you. You are an enigma.
Congratulations!

Ok, I am going to start a thread called "The bible and homosexuality: Round 2 - morality." Read the first thread here.This message has been edited by Lam, 05-24-2004 02:24 PM

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Whatever, I said it developed usually in FEMALES!!!. NOT little girls, I said "females". Dear God, can you actually read!???? How many females and males, sexuality unknown have been post mortemed, how many have been used in medical schools for anatomy practicals? The "usually" should be self-explanatory if you've actually read my post. If it is sometimes found in the brain of homosexual men, then the statement "Its only found in the brain of females" is inaccurate and untrue. THAT'S WHY THE WORD "USUALLY" WAS IN THERE! Strewth! Now, the science part that I wrote about isn't about chemicals which lower or raise hormone levels, its about chemicals which actually elicit the same response as the hormone they are mimicing. Oestrogen mimics attach to the oestrogen receptor and elicit the normal response that oestrogen does. Androgen mimics do the same with androgen receptors.

Trixie, I was only refering that you said it develops in the womb under the influence of oestrogen. One of the websites I quoted infered childrens brains are still developing, so I made this great leap of faith, that oestrogen like pesticide/herbicide compounds might be affecting the development of your brain structure, as these children brains are developing outside the womb, etc...p.s. think its criminal to be spraying toxic pesticides in the public schools, but i understand its good buisness, to spray the childrens environment with pesticides, its likely making the drug companies rich, and thats good for our 401 k's. my sisters kids on ritlin, has all kinds of allergies, they put him on sudafed, nase sprayers, and sudafed, it seems the sudafed only seems to make him more hyper,
another side effect?, increase the ritlin dose to counter the sudafed?,etc... Is this part of the problem the insurance companies have to increase the premiums, cause of the medicines needed to alleviate the side effects of these substances, but thats ok cause the people have to pay the premiums(pass on the increased cost to the consumers of drugs, us), and they keep making money on their drugs, might as well spray your lawns to get rid of dandelions, though they primnarily only blooms for 3 to 4 weeks, Its kind of interesting that the drug companies are diversified in the pesticide herbicide companies, and suppose thats good for marketing, create a problem and have the solution (another conspiracy theory), etc...P.S. I kinda hear you, just needed to unload a bit, I wonder if this stucture is being found in normal males, so many questions, in the womb, out of the womb, etc...I guess I'm just going to take a break, if they want to live filthy, it just says to let them be filthy still, holy still or righteous still and God will reward every man as accord as his work shall be, kjv rev 22:11-12, etc... If God searches the heart, many of these people might actually be saved, cause the Lord came to save them that were losts, etc...Its kind of like they have more to be greatful for, when washed by the blood of christ, but let the righteous be righteous still, etc...There was two stories in the prodical son, the son that returned from eating pigs slop, to the son that questioned the Father rejoicing in the son that returned, so I kind of hear you, that the Father rejoicing in the sinners that repent, cause he loved these sinners, so much that he sent his only begotten son to save whosoever believeth in his son who is the Word, in the flesh, and not just for the homosexuals, heterosexuals too, etc... We're all sinners saved by the shed blood of Christ, perhaps the question if they hardened their hearts, or if were hardening our hearts, I see the book of acts stating that the apostle paul was an apostle to the gentiles, since he was against this I can not say God is please with gay marriages(the bible talks not of just this but sexual immorality in Sodom and Gommoroha), so to me its biblically unacceptable, though its God thats searches their hearts, and like the prodical son returning from the pig pens, and the Father greeting him with open arms, while the righteous brother was not pleased, cause he was righteous still, perhaps our righteousness is like a filthy rag, etc...

You should follow crashfrog's example and jackoff in the shower. Clean and efficient.You have a problem with homosexuality? Go to this thread to "unload."

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Its kinda funny cause I where I worked someone slipped, not on a load, but said he urinated in the shower cause it prevents atheletes foot, said it disinfected the shower, we were all quite upset, he said he was just kiddin(he was a jokester), but we knew he wasn't. I told my friend this story cause it was kind of funny, cause their son contracted athleletes foot in a college shower, and friend said the co-worker was right, they just heard on talk radio station that they offended the ladies present that them that soldiers were actually told to do this, in the showers to prevent atheletes foot, which was what this co-worker slipped out, he served in the arm services, etc...P.S. It was kind of funny, cause you alway took the other showers, after John took his, life is kind of interesting, cause looking back John was only disinfecting the shower, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 05-24-2004 10:52 PM

whatever I meant to respond to this before but I have had no time.Here is a copy of the law concerning your postCURRENT LAWThe Criminal Code does not now criminalize consensual sexual activity with or between persons 14 or over, unless it takes place in a relationship of trust or dependency, in which case sexual activity with persons over 14 but under 18 can constitute an offence, notwithstanding their consent. Even consensual activity with those under 14 but over 12 may not be an offence if the accused is under 16 and less than two years older than the complainant. The exception, of course, is anal intercourse, to which unmarried persons under 18 cannot legally consent, although both the Ontario Court of Appeal(3) and the Quebec Court of Appeal(4) have struck down the relevant section of the Criminal Code.Does this help to clear up the issue?

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"For the mind of man is far from the nature of clear and equal glass,wherein the beams of things should reflect according to their true incidence;nay,it is rather like an enchanted glass,full of superstition and imposture.if it be not delivered and reduced." Sir Francis Bacon