If some parts of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it?

Yes, .... yes, .... and what?

The Map is not the Territory.The Bible is NOT Christianity.If the Bible were to be proven to be nothing but tales told around a campfire, it would still have nothing to do with the validity of the message it contains, or with the existance of GOD.When Jesus tells the parable of the two house, one built on a foundation of rock, the other on shifting sand, it does not matter whether those two houses really existed or if he simply made the story up to illustrate a point.The truth that undlies the Bible is the lessons it teaches on how to live. That is what is important.

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it wouldn't make God false but it would however make christ would it not? I realise it has good lessons and so do many other stories... but why is it "true"?This message has been edited by DC85, 05-28-2004 12:13 AM

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even though I happen to believe he was real, it would still have no impact on the lesson to be learned from the story of his life, his mission and his death.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

even if he wasn't real... I admit it is a very inspirational story but should one devote ones life to it?
Personally I think the Bible is a beautiful piece of literature but how can anyone think it is the 100% truth?
There are so many other religions out there with just as many inspirational stories. The Problem is 9/10 Christens(and visa versa) will never look into another one and just claim they are wrong anyway.... Just because mommy and Daddy believed it doesn't mean its right. people need to expand the mind

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But its very easy to discount other religions. For example Islam came after the Bible and simply changed it. Well in our version Jesus did this. The Bible is the religion that always stands tall above the rest. Ive never seen scientist use science to back up what their religion says as creationists do with the Bible. Does the book of Islam even contain how the world began or world ends?. Did Mohammod rise from the dead? to prove that he was who he said he was?.

OK then, if it is so easy, please disprove Ardism. If you need a refresher, here you go:

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The supreme deity Eru Ilvatar (The One who is Father of All) created spirits of lesser power than him, yet of independent nature, named the Ainur.

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The Ainur (from Valarin Ayanz) are the spirits who existed with Ilvatar, and helped him to create the world Arda through the Music of the Ainur. After the creation of Arda, many of the Ainur worked to guide and order its growth. Of these there were fifteen more powerful than the rest. Fourteen became the Valar. The fifteenth, Melkor, became the first Dark Lord. The lesser Ainur that accompanied the Valar into Arda are known as the Maiar. (The Holy Ones).

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Ilvatar made divine music with them ("Ainulindal")... the Music of the Ainur is the great song at the beginning of Time, out of which the World Arda {EARTH}was created. In it the whole history of Arda was told, but the Ainur which came into it forgot most of it. The dead souls of mortal Men go forth beyond existence to sing along with Eru Ilvatar the second Music of the Ainur;

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Melkor , who was then one of the Ainur, broke the harmony. Then Ilvatar began the music once more, in which Manw, Melkor's brother has sung the leading part. Yet again, the harmony was broken.

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Finally, Ilvatar began a third theme which the Ainur could not comprehend since they were not the source of it. Ilvatar then ceased the music, and showed to the Ainur the essence of what their song symbolized, the history of a whole world. This is known as the vision of Ilvatar. The Ainur became fascinated by it, and asked Ilvatar to put it into being.

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Ilvatar muttered "E", that is, "be!". This order created the universe...
- from the holy scriptures of the Silmarillion

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Good luck. This message has been edited by custard, 05-28-2004 02:41 AMedited by AdminBrian to fix quote box.This message has been edited by AdminBrian, 05-28-2004 06:40 AM

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But its very easy to discount other religions. For example Islam came after the Bible and simply changed it.

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It's not easy to discount other religions unless you are particularly inclined towards perpetuating religious intolerance. The Bible no more stands up to detailed scrutiny for scientific or historical accuracy, and claims of divine inspiration any more than other religious texts.You might want to try defending your claims about Bible prophecy in your own thread: Fullfilled Bible prophecy, for starters.

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Ive never seen scientist use science to back up what their religion says as creationists do with the Bible.

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Choke, cough.Your claims that science is a religion have been repeatedly demolished every time you have raised it on other threads. The tiny group of you and your kin are the only people in the world who claim this and you are demonstrably wrong in every way it is possible to be wrong.Scientists back up their claims with actual evidence, as opposed to merely referring to a flawed ancient religious text.

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Does the book of Islam even contain how the world began or world ends?.

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Well that would be one thing it hasn't got worng then. 1 point for Islam. Christianity 0.

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Did Mohammod rise from the dead? to prove that he was who he said he was?.

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No. The Christian messiah didn't either. Islam still 1, Christianity still 0.
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lol. Did you hear what this guy said. He said Jesus didnt really reserect. lol, You definately aint worth debating jack.

How do you know he was resurrected, Almeyda? Did you SEE it happen? Where's your EVIDENCE?This message has been edited by custard, 05-28-2004 05:35 AM

I guess that would need a whole new topic. Hopefully ill get one up soon. Or anyone else if they wanted to.

Hi, It is if you take the approach that you are taking, i.e. not even studying them. You mean exactly the way that Christian scribes done with the Old Testament? The NT authors have mutilated the Old Testament, they simply changed it. You may wish to actually think about what you are saying here. Yes it does, why don’t you try reading about other faiths instead of blindly trying to undermine them. Yes he did. I think the Qur’an proves how special Muhammad was. Here was a guy who couldn’t read or write yet he produced an amazing piece of literature, how could this happen without God’s assistance?Brian.

I don't get it. How is this any more sensible a question than "If parts of the Origin of the Species can't be trusted how can any of it be?"

I would say that there is a great deal in the Bible we can trust. However, the spiritual claims can only ever be affirmed or denied, they are never proven or falsified.The only things we can really argue about the accuracy of in the Bible are the alleged historical events recorded in it, even then we have to recognise that the intention is not to record an accurate critical history in the post-renaissance sense of the term. The history in the Bible is ideological history, and it has to understood as such, therefore when trying to decide which parts are reliable and which aren’t, you need to employ the same approach that you would employ when examining any ancient text.Having said this, the Bible actually has a very poor track record as a reliable historical source, regardless of how many fundy websites tell you differently. I would say quite confidently that anything claimed historically in the Bible before King Omri needs to be viewed as improbable.So we can trust parts of the Bible, the parts that can be supported by external data, the rest of it has to be taken on faith or ignorance. The 'all or nothing guys' have never graduated beyond Sunday School.Brian.

What about philosphy and morality? Don't you think those are arguable points as well?

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