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Author Topic:   Where Is Macro-Evolution Occurring
Chiroptera
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Message 25 of 108 (111586)
05-30-2004 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Cthulhu
05-30-2004 2:43 PM


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As a Christian philosopher, I try to clear up any misconceptions.
Some philosopher.

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Chiroptera
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Message 31 of 108 (111618)
05-30-2004 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by TheNewGuy03
05-30-2004 7:04 PM


The irony!
I find it ironic that you claim to be clearing up misconceptions, but are laboring under misconceptions yourself. C14 is not used to date fossils - it simply cannot be used to date anything over 50,000 years old.
The earth's magnetic field fluctuates, decreases, increases, disappears, and even reappears. That it is decreasing now proves nothing about the age of the earth. It's like looking at the tide going out and concluding that a few months in the past the entire world was underwater.
No one knows what "caused" Big Bang. Maybe it wasn't caused. But, considering that this was the beginning of time as well, the concept of "cause" becomes very slippery (since there wasn't a moment of time when there was no universe!)
We see macroevolution in the fossil record; we see macroevolution in genomes of the species; we can see macroevolution in embryology; we can see "microevolution" happening and extrapolate.
Sorry if the "philosophy" crack stung - what I meant was that the arguments you presented in your post have been heard, and refuted, a million times already.

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Chiroptera
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Message 37 of 108 (111628)
05-30-2004 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by TheNewGuy03
05-30-2004 7:59 PM


Re: The irony!
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What I was saying was that dating methods aren't consistent.
NosyNed is right. It would be interesting if you would go into the Dates and Dating forum and present what you think are inconsistencies.
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And Big Bang is still a theory...a man-made idea that people believe to be fact.
So is atomic theory. I've never seen atoms, have you? Do you have doubts that atoms exist?
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Don't forget that the thinking of man is fallible...
Including theological thinking.
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but we have to have a source.
What is this? The Cosmological Argument? The Ontological Argument? The Transcendance Argument? I'm not too familiar with these arguments; I for one would be interested if you would start a topic on this.
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But it is logical to say that the earth isn't that old.
Oh? Having some training in pure mathematics and an amature interest in logic, I would be very interested in hearing your arguments.
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Put aside what you've been told and look into things yourself...that's all I ask.
I used to be a creationist. When I looked into things myself and put aside what I had been told, I found that evolution was the logical explanation for life's diversity.
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But...reply soon
You, too. But someone is going to come along and yell at us for being off topic here. Start a new thread, or join one already established on a relevant topic.
Oh, and be careful of spreading yourself too thin. You'll find that it's easier if you focus on only one or two topics.

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Chiroptera
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Message 45 of 108 (111831)
05-31-2004 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by TheNewGuy03
05-31-2004 12:23 PM


More irony.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen...
...a man be crucified and then come back to life in three days, a flood that covers the tallest mountains, manna fall from heaven, a sea part....
At least with evolution, I can understand the natural process that would produce evolution, and I can see the physical effects from evolution.

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Chiroptera
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Message 51 of 108 (111860)
05-31-2004 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by mark24
05-31-2004 2:58 PM


Re: More irony.
And put false evidence in its place. Pretty tricky guy, that Yahweh!
Noah and his brood had a pretty busy time, right after the flood, mopping up and removing all the flood evidence, and then burying all those fossils, all in the correct "evolutionary" order.

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Chiroptera
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Message 56 of 108 (112097)
06-01-2004 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 2:23 PM


Re: More irony.
Yes, petty sarcasm on my part. It there was a global flood in historic times (c. 4000 years ago), there seems to be no trace of it left. Floods always leave some signs of it behind, in the deposition of sediments, and a flood this catastrophic would certainly be noticeable in the geologic/archaeologic record. Yet there is no sign of a single, world-wide flood.
On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that the earth is over four billion years old. The evidence is very unambiguous on this, and the evidence from many different, independent branches of science are quite consistent in this regards.
So, that is quite a god that you have there. To create a young earth with all the evidence to make it look old. And to create a huge cataclism that left no traces in its wake.

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Chiroptera
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Message 58 of 108 (112113)
06-01-2004 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 3:15 PM


Re: More irony.
This thread is concerned with "Macro-evolution". If you wish to find out how we know for sure there was no global flood, and how a sea-worthy boat the size of the ark could not have been constructed with a Bronze Age technology, and how all the animals of the world could not have come to the ark and dispersed to their native habitats, may I direct your attention to an entire forum dedicated Noah and the flood?

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