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Author Topic:   Biblical contradictions.
nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 224 of 329 (10949)
06-04-2002 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Jet
06-03-2002 4:55 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:

***Here is a simple solution. Get a better dictionary. Better yet, do a root word search of the original Hebrew word. That way you will be better motivated to throw your liberal dictionary out and invest in a much better one.***
Shalom
Jet

"liberal dictionary"
LOL!

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nator
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Message 225 of 329 (10950)
06-04-2002 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Jet
06-03-2002 4:55 PM


quote:
"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of his reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a small band of theologians, who have been sitting there for centuries."
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow
Um, I don't get it.
Physicists aren't trying to figure out God from holy books, and Theologians aren't trying to figure out the physical laws which govern the Universe by empirical methods.
The groups operate in different spheres using completely different methods so they really don't seek the same kinds of knowledge.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 232 of 329 (11000)
06-05-2002 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Jet
06-04-2002 3:35 PM


quote:
"For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of his reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a small band of theologians, who have been sitting there for centuries."
Physicists attempt to understand the physical forces of the universe, while theologians attempt to understand the spiritual realm. They work in different spheres.
I propose that the premise of the quote is in error for the above stated reason.
Second attempt at getting a reponse. You are proving my characterisation of you correct every time you avoid a question.

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nator
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Message 237 of 329 (11032)
06-05-2002 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Jet
06-05-2002 1:39 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:
If you do not like the quote, I suggest you take it up with the author.
Shalom
Jet

You know, I did some research into the quote and I found out that Robert Jastrow is actually an Agnostic.
I didn't realize that you were an Agnostic, or that you supported and promoted the views of Agnostics.
Whooda thunkit?
I strongly suspect that this quote is taken a bit out of context.
It's too bad that you don't want to discuss it, but it is clear that challenge to your ideas is not what you are interested in.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
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Message 239 of 329 (11104)
06-06-2002 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Percy
06-05-2002 6:46 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Percipient:
I don't know if Jet would tell us if he's read Jastrow's book God and the Astronomers, from which his quote is taken, but I have, and the quote is simply an ironic and thought provoking word picture with which Jastrow chose to close his book. It is not a summary of his own personal viewpoint.
--Percy

HA!!
I knew it!
The quote is taken out of context!!
Typical Creationist stopping at the face value of words and not bothering to dig for greater context and understanding.

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nator
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Message 243 of 329 (11222)
06-09-2002 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Jet
06-09-2002 5:37 PM


Look, Jet, I doubt if anyone is going to buy your "injured innocent" routine. I know I certainly don't.
You made your bed of bad behavior, now you are going to have to lie in it.
So, how is that super secret research going?

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 260 of 329 (11939)
06-21-2002 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Jet
06-21-2002 12:23 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Jet:
This is what I would consider flawed logic on your part. The Bible is not "one written work", as you put it. It consists of more than 60 individual writings, written by dozens of men who were inspired of God, over a timespan of centuries, and yet the Bible is consistant throughout its' entirety.
Depending upon which Gospel you read, Jesus is crucified either before (John) or after (Matthew, Mark, & Luke) Passover. This is hardly consistent.
quote:
Show me one other piece of literary work that can claim such accuracy and accomplishment.
The Koran? The Bahvigad Gita? The I Ching? The Lord of the Rings trilogy could be included if we are just talking about literary works.
[QUOTE]Wait, let me save you some time. There is no other such piece of literary work. Only that which is inspired of God could accomplish such a feat of complete and total accuracy.
*[/B][/QUOTE]
Total accuracy? So, do you think that rabbits chew the cud and that the sun stopped in the sky and that the Earth has waters below it and above it, and that it is surrounded by a "firmament" which the stars are "set into?"
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"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."
-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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