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Author Topic:   Where Is Macro-Evolution Occurring
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Message 8 of 108 (81499)
01-29-2004 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mespo
01-29-2004 11:10 AM


The London Mosquito
Anyway, as I understand the definition of "macro evolution" as relating to the generation of new species, this one may qualify.
I have a couple of comments on this. (heck, I always seem to have a comment or 3 )
a) This iis/i "macro-evolution" by the original biological definition of the term. That is evolution is 'micro if belowp the species level.
b)Creationists have decided to redefine the term (they tend to do that a fair bit). However, they haven't come to any agreement on what it does mean. Some do call this "macro" but others call macro the creation of new genera and still others waffle a bit and toss family in as well. You have to ask what someone means by the term.
c)We have seen a number of posts with the arguement that 1+1=2 then 1+1+1+1 ... +1 = n to show that lots of micro produces macro. Note that this could be taken as not absolutely true. It is micro and geographic separation (of a sort) that allowed the evolution of the london mosquito. What isn't clear to me is whether this is a part of the orginial ideas of Darwin, neo-Darwinism or a further addition. Taking it in one extreme, if there are no cases where micro steps alone account for speciation, this means that darwinism (the orginal) or even neo-darwinism is wrong.
It is, perhaps, wrong in exactly the same way the newtonian mechanics is wrong. That is, the base idea is intact but modifications are needed.

Common sense isn't

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Message 13 of 108 (81595)
01-29-2004 11:30 PM
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01-29-2004 4:28 PM


Re: The London Mosquito
Wow! I'm impressed. I did read the origin too but forgot that. That he recognized the need for that without knowing anything about genetics is very impressive.

Common sense isn't

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Message 47 of 108 (111847)
05-31-2004 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by TheNewGuy03
05-31-2004 1:42 PM


No argument, No discussion
If God can do ANYTHING, then He can create the world, rise a man from the dead, and flood the earth at will.
Almost none of us here have any problem with your choice to believe any of that. It's completely up to you.
That is all purely a belief in the miraculous and magic. It is in no way claiming to be testable by the methods available to science. No problemo.
However, if you now what to have any influence in the science class you have to play by the rules of science. All of that is in no way useful as any kind of explanation for anything in that context. It is only with the so-called "scientific" creationists that we have any real issues.
So you may keep those beliefs in your church and out of the science class and we have nothing more to discuss.
If you want to continue the discussion based on evidence that we can actually review then we are all willing to play. Otherwise there is no further learning to be had.

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Message 70 of 108 (112224)
06-01-2004 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 7:20 PM


Giving up
You give up remarkably easily. That is a very poor way to learn things.

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