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crashfrog
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Message 106 of 112 (112397)
06-02-2004 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Hangdawg13
06-01-2004 10:56 PM


Wow is that logic messed up.
Exactly right. Trying to determine probability afer the fact is ridiculous and "messed up." So why did you try to do it? That's what I dont understand. Apparently, you knew your argument was based on a ridiculous premise - obviously, because you recognized the ridiculousness of the same argument turned against you - so why did you offer it in the first place?
The odds that the sperm containing half of MY specific genetic material are 1 in 40 million.
No, it's not.
Meiosis includes "crossover", where elements from complimentary chromosomes are exchanged. That means there's considerable variation among sperm in terms of exactly which genes they have and don't have. The sperm that fertilized your zygote wasn't one of 20 million exact copies. It may very well have had an entirely unique mix of genes.
If the odds of simply getting pregnant were 1 in 40 million
Obviously, they're not. Where did I say that they were? Please, don't put words in my mouth - especially not such stupid ones, ok?
We are talking about the odds of life simply forming at all, not the odds of it having blonde hair, blue eyes, and a devastatingly handsome appearance!
If you didn't have the unique mix of genes that you possess, you wouldn't be you. Since the odds of you possessing that unique mix are so low - one in millions - are we supposed to conclude that you aren't yourself?
Or are we just supposed to conclude - as you so rightly did - that trying to argue from probability after the fact is an exercise in tomfoolery?

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crashfrog
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Message 107 of 112 (112398)
06-02-2004 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Hangdawg13
06-02-2004 12:06 AM


My argument however was about life forming at all, not what kind of life might form.
If that's true, then why was your argument based on the odds of forming chemicals that are required, as far as we know, only for our kind of life?
You don't seem to be too clear on what you're arguing.

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coffee_addict
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Message 108 of 112 (112484)
06-02-2004 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Hangdawg13
06-02-2004 12:11 AM


Hangdawg13 writes:
I will investigate this. Can you point me to any good websites about these experiments?
Please do investigate. Sorry, but I've never relied on the internet for info such as these. I got these info from my college biology courses and text books. Call me old fashion, I just don't like fishing for reliable info on the internet. Perhaps you would like to take a course on the subject at your local community college?

The Laminator

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arachnophilia
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Message 109 of 112 (112534)
06-03-2004 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by JonF
06-01-2004 1:41 PM


including the "Burdick Track", a cast of a print that is known to be forged (and looks nothing like a footrpint made by any human anytime)
no, but it certainly look a lot like all those bigfoot tracks i keep seeing. maybe it was made by bigfoot! and it fits the bible too, that has to be what the giants are in gen 6 that walked the earth before the flood: BIGFOOT!
this is my personal favourite dinosaurs-with-humans picture:
just goes to show, skilled paleontologists can make better forgeries than creationists any day.
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Ediacaran
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Message 110 of 112 (112613)
06-03-2004 11:14 AM
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06-03-2004 12:05 AM


Great, now Hangdawg will be touting Onyate Man as proof of creationism ... nice going Arachnophilia!

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arachnophilia
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Message 111 of 112 (112713)
06-04-2004 12:02 AM
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06-03-2004 11:14 AM


lol and it'll be funny if he does.
http://www.nmsr.org/april_fool.html
kent hovind himself was awarded the pt barnum "one born every minute" award by the new mexicans for science and reason.

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Petruchio
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Message 112 of 112 (112754)
06-04-2004 11:02 AM


crashfrog writes:
If you didn't have the unique mix of genes that you possess, you wouldn't be you. Since the odds of you possessing that unique mix are so low - one in millions - are we supposed to conclude that you aren't yourself?
This gets close to explaining why it is no more probable that all life was created miraculously than that you or I were created in the last millisecond with all our memories intact. One creation story's as good (nonsensical) as another, when it comes to probabilities.

"Why, this is flat knavery, to take upon you another's name."

  
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