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Author Topic:   A modern object described in ancient texts negates Creation Myth
crashfrog
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Message 6 of 117 (112880)
06-05-2004 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Edward Teller
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


This specific offshoot "root file" is documented in Revelations 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel" = a file with 144,000 bytes of data = the mediterr.exe programme file.
Why would the John writer, presumably ignorant of binary number systems and the idea of binary data storage, care to specify the byte size of a computer file? How would he even understand what that meant?
Seriously. If you looked hard enough you could find prophecy in Dude, Where's My Car? I doubt you'll find too many people here who are going to stand physics on its ear just because you can twist the meaning of Revelations.

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crashfrog
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Message 9 of 117 (112904)
06-05-2004 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 8:13 AM


John was told (by the time traveller) the numerical value of the highlighted file that made the 'sun-disk' (wheel) operate.
Why, though?
When you pop in your Matrix: Reloaded DVD, do you tell people the filesize?
That's a ludicrous detail to expect a time-traveller to have imparted, when nobody in his audience would have had the technical or even mathematical background to understand it. Hell, there's no way the John writer could even have been expected to understand the concept of data having a size.
It is therein explained in detail.
How can I debate with a website? You're the one promoting this stuff; it's up to you to defend it.

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crashfrog
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Message 39 of 117 (114265)
06-10-2004 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Eddy Pengelly
06-10-2004 2:25 AM


The minimum computer requirements needed to run and operate the Ancients cd-rom are a 386 CPU, MS Windows 3.11, MS-Dos 6, SVGA Monitor, an Audio Board, and a double-speed CD-ROM Drive.
It would not be necessary to take a Pentium 4 computer with all the modern features because it would not enhance the presentation in any way.
The saying "Less is Best" applies here.
Does Win3.1 even have DVD drivers? I doubt it.
Furthermore a 386 laptop weighs about 5 times as much as a modern Sony laptop. Why would anyone travel back in time with a crappy, heavy portable when a modern subnotebook would work? Furthermore, they'd have to get the 386 machine from a museum, that far in the future. Why bother when off-the-shelf will do?
The time travel premise I'll grant you, because I'm no physicist. But I know a thing or two about computers, and it defies logic to expect a future time traveler to raid a museum for a computer that won't do anything that off-the-shelf hardware won't do better, faster, and lighter.
Less isn't best, here, because the computer you're talking about isn't less, it's more - more weight, more size, and more trouble to acquire.

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 117 (114546)
06-11-2004 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Cold Foreign Object
06-11-2004 6:08 PM


Anything and everything will be considered except God.
I'll consider God. Just bring me some evidence.
Well? I'm waiting...

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crashfrog
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Message 57 of 117 (114725)
06-12-2004 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Cold Foreign Object
06-12-2004 2:15 PM


I'm still waiting.
The fact that you can't tell the difference between a task that's impossible and a task that's just really, really hard is proof of nothing but your own lack of imagination.
Back on topic. Eddy, what's the deal? I've brought up objections to your scenario in two different threads, but you've never addressed them. Why would time travellers take back a computer they would have had to plunder from a museum when off-the-shelf would have been faster, lighter, and more stable?

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crashfrog
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Message 61 of 117 (114757)
06-13-2004 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Cold Foreign Object
06-12-2004 9:45 PM


Space aliens/time travel yet a physical structure on the face of the Earth that could not be built today
Says you; yet, there it is, with absolutely no sign of divine intervention - in fact, no sign of anything except a lot of elbow grease.
The Egyptians weren't idiots, WT. We know that they built the Pyramids, and as far as I know, we know more or less how they did it. You couldn't address a single criticism of your theory in the thread you opened for that purpose, so I'm not going to sit here and discuss it with you OT.
Don't confuse an open mind for a mind so open the brain has fallen out - which is exactly what would have to happen to me to believe your Pyramid garbage. I gave your Pyramid bullshit all the consideration it deserved, which was not much. The simplest, most accurate explanation is that the Egyptians built the Pyramids.
Similarly here, the most accurate, most likely explanation is that Eddy is full of shit. There's people more qualified to attack the time travel premise; I've chosen to restrict my argument to the inconsistencies with the purported hardware. I'm as open to time travel as I am to your Pyramid horseshit, which is to say, not very.

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crashfrog
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Message 64 of 117 (115276)
06-15-2004 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Cold Foreign Object
06-14-2004 3:06 PM


I once saw a man on a rocky beach in San Diego stacking stones. He'd take jagged rocks, each generally sort of tear-drop shaped and about the size of a laptop computer, and stack them the long way, into piles almost 8 feet tall.
Here, something like this:
Rockstackers At Work in Santa Cruz, California
only taller, with rocks that were more jagged, and he was balancing them sharp end to sharp end.
Everyone was certain that he was cheating, somehow - using glue or magnets or fake rocks or something. But I watched him build an entire pile right before my eyes, and all he was doing was balancing them very, very carefully. He had done an entire beachful - something like 20-30 stacks - in just a few hours, which I knew because he had done them in a place where the tide was going to come in and wreck 'em.
The point of this story is that the difference between reasonable people and Willowtree is that reasonable people can tell the difference between stuff that's physically impossible and stuff that's just so hard to do it's hard to imagine someone doing it. But because WT can't imagine those dumb ol' Egyptians actually building the Pyramids, it must be the result of actions by a god nobody's ever seen or heard from since.

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crashfrog
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Message 75 of 117 (116806)
06-20-2004 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Eddy Pengelly
06-20-2004 1:04 AM


To tell each new (chronologically advanced) group of people he visited that the previous group 'got it wrong'.
Why wouldn't he just go back in time and tell himself not to have left at all?

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crashfrog
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Message 82 of 117 (116831)
06-20-2004 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Eddy Pengelly
06-20-2004 2:41 AM


If the first time travel encounter that caused the religons to form was deleted from history, then no religions would form, thus no religious societies, means no civilization as we now know it.
Then how did the first iteration of civilization happen, I mean, the one that led to time travel?
Why would it take a time travelling craptop to come up with all religions? L. Ron Hubbard started a religion with nothing but a shitty sci-fi novel.
They had to CORRECT the error(s), not erase the consequences - being our current civilization.
But you've got the consequences - a time-travel-capable civilization - occuring before the action - the time-trip in question.

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crashfrog
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Message 83 of 117 (116832)
06-20-2004 5:11 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by pink sasquatch
06-20-2004 4:04 AM


Is there a reason why the hypothesis is time travel to the past, as opposed to prophecy
Because prophecy is impossible. Duh! It must be time travel.

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crashfrog
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Message 94 of 117 (117057)
06-21-2004 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Eddy Pengelly
06-21-2004 8:49 AM


Our society IS the consequence.
Right, I got that the first time. What I don't understand is how that's possible, when the society with time travel is the future of our society - it must be, since they're using American computers and software - but our society is the consequence of time travel.
It's circular. How can a time travel society be the consequence of its own existence and actions? How does that circle get started?
It has occurred because once Mr Pegg's discoveries are found to be mostly correct, it will be realized that time Travel HAS happened, and that someone, sometime, IS going to master the science and make a time machine - during which the first trip will cause the initial 'mistake'.
Right, but that first trip won't have happened at all before the first trip happens. It's a cycle, a paradox, and I don't see how it can get started if time travel is only a consequence of a time-trip that can't happen without time travel.

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crashfrog
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Message 98 of 117 (117318)
06-21-2004 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Eddy Pengelly
06-21-2004 10:32 AM


Remember the 1990s level of computer technology - maybe time travel has already happened - and the cycle begun, but we have not been told or know about it.
It still wouldn't matter, Eddy. The time travel technology would be the direct result of a civilization that wouldn't exist without time travel. It's still a paradox.
The computer technology you're talking about doesn't prove time travel has occured. It proves that time travel can't ever occur.
The discovery of the E.L.S Bible Code
Those Bible Codes have been mathematically refuted, and no substantial defense has been offered. There's no reason to believe that the Bible codes aren't simply a case of seeing what you want ot see in a string of text sufficiently long enough.

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