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Message 4 of 117 (112735)
06-04-2004 7:10 AM


read with me:
revelation 5.5
kai eiV ek twn presbuterwn legei moi mh klaie idou enikhsen o lewn o wn ek thV fulhV iouda h rhza dabid anoixai to biblion kai lusai taV epta sfragidaV autou
ok, now that we've removed all this greek to english to latin = round crap, where's the connotation of roundness?
and one of the sanhedrin says to me "do not mourn. see victory taken by the lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir of David opening the book and the seven seal himself"
"biblion" has no connotation of being round.
[edited because i remembered how to type in greek]
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Message 7 of 117 (112888)
06-05-2004 5:04 AM
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06-05-2004 1:17 AM


time travel, silly.
duh.

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Message 10 of 117 (112906)
06-05-2004 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 8:13 AM


Re: He didn't understand, that is why he was told
You haven't read and viewed the written and visual evidence from the pphcstudygroup's web site - have you. It is therein explained in detail.
i see no detail.
and after i stopped laughing and actually gave it a look, it appears you have to register or something.
also, he's really, really reading into stuff.
go read chariots of the gods, which asserts that space aliens visited earth long ago, as evidenced by all sorts of ancient stuff, and are the source of the major religions. i think that guy has more of a case.
also, he has very odd technology references. if i had a time machine, i wouldn't be using a 386 for instance. in fact, i don't have a time machine, and i still wouldn't be using a 386. in fact, i've been using computer longer than most people i know, and i've never even owned a 386.
and how does he know time travelers ran windows 3.1, anyways? or groliers?
i suspect he's making stuff up.

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Message 11 of 117 (112907)
06-05-2004 9:45 AM
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06-05-2004 9:43 AM


Re: He didn't understand, that is why he was told
oh, hey, and while we're at it, bet365 Bonus Code India 2022 [BETMAX365]: 15% up to Rs.4000 in Bet Credits is always fun. i keep writing to the guy asking how to get my other three days, but he hasn't told me yet.

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Message 14 of 117 (112960)
06-05-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 9:56 AM


Re: Don't take my word for it
You apparently have not examined the evidence, yet you have come to a preconceived conclusion.
well, since you have to sign up to actually see any evidence, perhaps you can enlighten us? because that first bit you posted... not evidence. that's call conjecture.
i'm fine with time travel, i think we may even master it one day. i'm not ENTIRELY sure it's possible given certain quantum paradoxes, but i'll go with it.
the problem i see is that he's naming technology that was new and unique... in 1992. he himself is enthralled with the cd-rom, as if it's magic. why not hard disks? solid state memory? xd cards? why a 386 and windows 3.1? he seems positive that someone with technology far more advanced than anything we have today is also using technology that literally gets junked today for being too old and obsolete.
it makes no sense.
Mr Pegg's discoveries have just been released to the public - and may have world-wide consequences as you can imagine if and when they are deemed to be true.
call me when they make it through a peer reviexed journal.
until then, go read chariots of the gods, where the same round things in ancient pictures are ufo's. i do believe there's more evidence to that story...

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Message 20 of 117 (113028)
06-06-2004 4:39 AM
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06-06-2004 4:10 AM


hahaha.
and know you know what an evolutionary biologist must think when he reads something written by kent hovind.

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Message 25 of 117 (113098)
06-06-2004 9:30 PM
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06-06-2004 7:01 PM


Re: Kent Hovind:Brilliant or Brilliantly stupid?
no no, mr pegg is in a class of his own.
i'd group him with the chariots of the gods guy, but not so far down as the timecube guy.

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Message 27 of 117 (113145)
06-07-2004 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by One_Charred_Wing
06-06-2004 10:52 PM


Re: Pathetic
no, i think it's really ironic that he looks that way, personally.
he constantly has to defend his backwards world view in light of evidence to the contrary. he's rejected by even CREATIONISTS as silly. people make fun of him.
and this is something is faith appears to hinge on.
i would pity him, if he weren't willfully lying and misleading impressionable christian teens.

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Message 31 of 117 (113460)
06-07-2004 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by One_Charred_Wing
06-07-2004 8:19 PM


Re: Pathetic
Don't cross that line, please. His faith may stand on that, but mine doesn't and the majority of the churchgoing kids I know don't go for that either.
i never stated that your faith -- or mine -- hinged on it. simply a psychological observation about the driving force behind his "mental gymnastics."
Hey now, he hasn't mislead me! With all due respect, you're making it sound like Christians are a bunch of stupid kids that don't know any better.
well, that would detrimental to my point since i am a christian. painting myself to be a big stupid kid is, well, stupid and childish of me.
i didn't mean to imply that hovind has suckered all christians, or even most of them. just a select group of especially gullible ones. it was not meant as a statment of condemnation of christians, only hovind.
sort of.
i do feel bad for him though. as i posted before, he's straining at gnats but swallow cammels. completely missing the point of christianity, and leading others astray.

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Message 33 of 117 (114098)
06-10-2004 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Eddy Pengelly
06-10-2004 2:25 AM


Re: Book - Roll - Wheel - DVD - Time Travel : Questions Answered
The minimum computer requirements needed to run and operate the Ancients cd-rom are a 386 CPU, MS Windows 3.11, MS-Dos 6, SVGA Monitor, an Audio Board, and a double-speed CD-ROM Drive.
It would not be necessary to take a Pentium 4 computer with all the modern features because it would not enhance the presentation in any way.
The saying "Less is Best" applies here.
no no, you're ignoring missing the point of the question.
i can't find a pentium 1 nowadays, let alone a 386. why that particular software? presuming i was devious enough to alter timelines and whatnot, i would take back some nice information. for instance, i have a really snazzy encyclopedia britannica dvd. that would work just as well.
Revelations is written in Greek. Strong's Concordance provides us with the meanings of the Old English words used in the New Testament. Greek word referenced # 975 "book" means a roll, but has been written in the Bible as having four different interpretations - being either 'a bill, book, scroll, or writing'.
But the primary meaning is "roll" and not one of the interpretations.
two of us posted the greek. the word in question biblion, from biblios. it means "writings." if we're going to translate into english first, you might as well do it to mean "bible" because that's where we get that word. it tended to mean "scroll" at the time, because the bound book hadn't been invented yet.
however, scrolls are cylindrical. if i were talking abotu a flat disc, especially one that SPINS i would use something like "kuklos" and maybe modified by "helissio"
perhaps they took back a 1970's drum drive? or the very first variety of the phonograph? those were both cylindrical.

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Message 34 of 117 (114099)
06-10-2004 4:35 AM
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06-10-2004 2:25 AM


Re: Book - Roll - Wheel - DVD - Time Travel : Questions Answered
A time traveller (messenger - angel) told the ancient person (who either wrote the original text or related what he was told to someone else later). In Hebrew, DVD transliterates as the Hebrew characters for "dvd" (unable to reproduce them here), but when this was related to other people as a sound and then much later translated into Greek, then Latin, then Old English, then 'modern English', then American English, etc. etc., the vowel sounds of "a" and "i" were added.
incorrect.
had it been written in hebrew, i'd let this slide, because the hebrew of the bible is written without vowels, and originally without vowel pointers.
however, the greek WAS written with vowels, and revelation was originally written in greek. the word being translated as the name david in revelation is dabid with a b, not a v.
however, the david in hebrew is d-v-d. perhaps you believe the ancient king himself was really, say, a collection of davey and goliath on dvd?
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Message 35 of 117 (114116)
06-10-2004 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Eddy Pengelly
06-10-2004 2:25 AM


Re: Book - Roll - Wheel - DVD - Time Travel : Questions Answered
hey eddy, in response to your upcoming thread which may get shot down due to the HUGE cut and paste job that it is, i'd like to take a moment and reply.
i too am using strong's concordance, and thoroughly believe in getting to the root meaning of the word. i do not trust any translation of the bible except my own, and even then i usually don't trust that as accruate. if you look earlier, i actually posted the original verse in question in greek, along with my own translation using the concordance. it's not that tricky to use.
however, in interest of fairness and honesty, its best to go straight from the original to modern language, and only one time. taking it from greek to english to old english to latin to english is going to result in distortions, such as changing the meaning of "writings" to "scroll" to "round" when other greek words would suffice for "round" in the first place. for a demonstration of why it's bad to go through multiple translations, here's part of your post:
"DVD" this 'digital is a flexible communication disk' simpler; one and simpler of the FILE of Rome of DIGITALIS one is written, special, if the end to say to an old person attemped that the small names had had this, that we considered those moneies 'wheel' it knows.
now, that's run through spanish, english, spanish, and then english again. i'm sure i can get it to do sillier things. but where's this business about rome come from? and file? and the elderly? kind of distorts it a little.
and if we are to apply pardes to christian texts, as i think we should, let's focus on remez and drush at least, which would indicate moral lessons and teachings, and symbolism. what you're attempting to do is squeeze something into a very literal, p'shat, reading of the text, and reassign words different meanings. if we are to read revelation with sod in mind, there's alot there about inner spritual matters, christianity in rome, etc, and the individual words hold meanings of their own.
i see no evidence of time travel, but some very nice symbolic meanings instead.
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Message 40 of 117 (114339)
06-11-2004 2:17 AM
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06-10-2004 4:08 PM


Re: Wheels From a 2002 SUV Found In Red Sea Prove Exodus Time Travel Connection
Wheels From a 2002 SUV Found In Red Sea Prove Exodus Time Travel Connection
more like 1981 delorian rims.

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Message 65 of 117 (115299)
06-15-2004 7:22 AM
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06-15-2004 3:42 AM


i saw a bunch of scientists raise an 11 ton egyptian style obelisk on the history channel today.
using a kite.
it's an interesting conjecture, and apparently totally plausible. who knows if that's how they did it. but my point is... it's probably just that we're not smart enough to figure out how they did it, not that it was impossible. sometimes, it just requires a little creativity.

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Message 68 of 117 (115594)
06-16-2004 2:07 AM
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06-15-2004 3:33 PM


define mankind. becuase different people thought different things.
for instance, the ancient greeks and egpytians knew not only that earth was a sphere some 2000 years ago, they knew its circumference. western europe didn't come to this realization until about 500 years ago (and even then, it took magellan going all the way around to prove it).
then again, there's the flat-earth society, that still thinks the earth is flat, and all the people who've been in orbit are just lying.

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