Why creationists panick...

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Originally posted by ekimklaw:
Hello Max,

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If you did, you would sense a supernatural quality to the book.

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Pur-lease. If this "supernatural" quality can be sensed, it can be measured. In fact all texts of all religions should be measured with this "biblometer". The most "supernatural" one would be the real deal? Without going into the obvious point that supernatural things can't be sensed by definition.

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Originally posted by ekimklaw:

you have faith in science. Nature is your god.

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No, you have faith. We hold that scientific theories that best explain observable evidence is best. If new evidence comes along, a new theory can be made, meaning we never "believed" the first one, we just held it up as the best explanation at the time.

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Originally posted by ekimklaw:

In fact the Bible never makes an assertion that is scientifically wrong.

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Like any miracle you care to mention? For god to influence the universe by turning water into wine for example requires extra energy to be added to the universe. This violates the 1st law of thermodynamics & causes serious problems for Einsteins E=MC2.
If the total energy increases, then the mass or speed of light must alter as well.I'm still waiting to have all that flood water explained to me as well (with respect TC) , in "Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A" with mechanisms that don't contravene the laws of physics.A remarkable claim!

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Originally posted by ekimklaw:

As for the flood water question, there is plenty of evidence all over the earth that shows that the world endured a sudden cataclysmic water event. The theory I subscribe to is that early on the world was shrouded in a dense water canopy which basically caused the earth to have a global "tropical" climate. When the water canopy came down the earth was left with a thin atmosphere. The flood waters subsided into oceans and underground cavities, etc. Now the earth was subject to geographic climate extremes and many creatures who existed in the dense atmosphere years, died off under the new harsher environment. This explains everything to my mind, and makes sense scientifically.

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I challenge you & RetroCrono to go to the "Is the Global Flood Feasible? Discussion Q&A" thread & present your evidence.I warn you now, I will be pinning you down on specifics, there will be no "I think it happened like this", you will be required to produce evidence for a flood theory that fits all geological phenomenon.Please read the existing posts first.I look forward to seeing you there.

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[This message has been edited by mark24, 12-23-2001]

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Originally posted by ekimklaw:
Regarding miricles, if it didn't contravene natural law, it would not be miraculous. There is no limit to what God can do. To me, since God created the 1st law of thermodynamics, he can violate it if he chooses.

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But how is this falling in line with science?Anyway, Merry Christmas ------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
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See my signature? Occams razor. For our purposes it means the best theory to fit all the evidence. Very simple, no contention there. But I've seen you say that the evidence points to a flood. So, I'm trying to pin you down to exactly what evidence you have, & what the theory you have doesn't explain, that other theories do ,& vice versa. At the end of the day, the theory that best fits the evidence is exactly that, the best theory. I could theorise that salt water comes from a Galactic Goat that pisses brine, we could discuss it if you want. If you have evidence that points to different interpretations that CAN'T be explained by mainstream geology, lets have them. At the same time you need to consider what any flood theories don't explain. So, given you & others maintain there is evidence that makes a flood theory the best theory, lets have it! I'm not asking anything unreasonable. Just that you back up your claims.What I'm asking is for all flood evidences to be presented, & be compared to all other geologic evidence, & a best theory to result. So, if were not talking "best" theories here, I want my goat piss theory considered. Or would that be ridiculous?------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.