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jar
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Message 16 of 47 (114602)
06-12-2004 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
06-12-2004 12:03 AM


God of Jews = God of Christians.
God of Jews = God of Muslims.
God of Muslims = God of Christians.
Pretty simple, pretty clear.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Hangdawg13
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Message 17 of 47 (114613)
06-12-2004 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
06-11-2004 11:49 PM


You mean like you do? (Unless you're keeping to those laws about garments of mixed fiber and not eating shellfish?)
Sigh... I explained this in another thread just now. The fact that Jesus, our Lord, the messiah himself, told us the cultural ritual laws were out and we are under a new covanent must have something to do with why I do not keep the laws like the one stated above mustn't it?
I don't even know why I participate in these threads; what the hell do I care if you guys hash out the details of mythology? But it's really funny when you guys point to each other and accuse them of doing the exact things you do, too.
Aw, Froggy, please don't go.
Perhaps you come here because there is something deep within you longing for the TRUTH... The truth that will set you FREE!
...Or maybe you just like kicking Christian ass in debate... haha whatever... Or maybe its because working at that hotel is just plain boring? I'll stop trying to analyze you and stay on topic now.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 47 (114619)
06-12-2004 2:25 AM
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06-12-2004 1:57 AM


The fact that Jesus, our Lord, the messiah himself, told us the cultural ritual laws were out and we are under a new covanent
Oh, really? Then why did he say:
quote:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
-Matthew 18
Sounds like the non-dietary stuff, at least, is very much still in force.
Or maybe its because working at that hotel is just plain boring?
Ain't that the truth?

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 47 (114656)
06-12-2004 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
06-12-2004 12:23 AM


God of Jews = God of Christians.
God of Jews = God of Muslims.
God of Muslims = God of Christians.
Pretty simple, pretty clear.
You make no sense either way you put it, Jar. Let me rephrase my original statements.
My original statements:
No, Jar, in Christianity there is God, Jehovah, the father, Jesus, the son of Jehovah, his father, and the Holy Spirit, the spirit of both Jehovah the father and Jesus the son and the member of the trinity who makes the three members of one spirit, thus the oneness of the three or tri-unity/trinity.
Why then is it that worship of the Christian Jew god, Jehovah is not recognized by Islam and acknowledged over 600 times in the bible as God/Elohim and zero times in the Quran as God/Allah?
Revised statements:
No, Jar, in Judaism there is God, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the god, Jehovah and the one who makes the god Jehovah and the spirit of the god Jehovah one.
Why then is it that worship of the Jew god, Jehovah is not recognized by Islam and acknowledged over 600 times in the Jewish scriptures as God/Elohim and zero times in the Quran as God/Allah?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 20 of 47 (114678)
06-12-2004 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hangdawg13
06-11-2004 11:12 PM


See? I knew it would attract passionate response from Christians. First it was Wordswordman. Then buzsaw, and now Hangdawg.
quote:
The Quaran has a lot of things that fit perfectly with the Christian and Jewish faith, but it has enough lies mixed in to completely throw muslims off track. Satan has always worked to mix truth with lies to confuse people including many Christians.
And your proof of that statement is what? We don't worship men or Satan. We worship only God, and God has no son. I've read parts of the New Testament, yes, inspiring words, but it doesn't convince me that Jesus is God, because the Qur'an does not say so.

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Buzsaw
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Message 21 of 47 (114716)
06-12-2004 5:42 PM
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06-12-2004 2:16 PM


And your proof of that statement is what? We don't worship men or Satan. We worship only God, and God has no son. I've read parts of the New Testament, yes, inspiring words, but it doesn't convince me that Jesus is God, because the Qur'an does not say so.
Andya, did you know that one need not worship men or Satan to err in who one worships and follows? The OT which predates the Quran by many centuries fortells of a messianic person to be sent from God who would suffer and die for man's sins who resembles Jesus. Then the NT which predates the Quran by several hundred years states that Jesus became that one who meets the description of the prophecies and that that one is indeed the son of God. Your prophet who emerged on the scene hundreds of years later, Mr. Mohammed, Jonnny come lately emerges from paganism in a pagan nation and who with his family worshipped at Mecca, his god along with the 200 + other gods and writes a book contrary to the god of the Bible denying what the god of the Bible claims. So you tell me, based on this, how should we be expected to believe the two contradictive gods are one and the same god?
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 06-12-2004 05:03 PM

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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DarkStar
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Message 22 of 47 (114949)
06-14-2004 12:33 AM


My Two Cents Worth
Having begun this thread, I decided to offer my opinion on whether the god of the jews, christians, and muslims is the same god.
The answer is yes, and no, depending upon the perspective of the individual adherents to each religion.
Jews believe in the god of abraham.
Christians believe in the god of abraham.
Muslims believe in the god of abraham.
This is an undeniable fact.
What is in question is the dissimilarity of the teachings and beliefs within each respective religious group, as these teachings and beliefs vary in degree. However, one similarity between these groups is the belief in a saviour, although here too there are discrepancies as to who he is, and when he will come.
The jew awaits a comming messiah, the annointed of god.
Page not found | Hatikva Ministries
The christian regards jesus as that messiah, and await his return.
http://www.geocities.com/doxa.geo/home.html
The muslim await a comming messiah, or mahdi, and believe he will come from a decendant of muhammad.
http://www.ummah.net/khoei/mahdi.htm
So it would seem, at least on the surface, that all three religions worship the same god, though what they believe about that god, and their saviour, differs in varying degrees of understanding.
Cheers
This message has been edited by DarkStar, 06-14-2004 04:43 PM

BREATHE DEEP THE GATHERING GLOOM

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almeyda
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Message 23 of 47 (114960)
06-14-2004 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DarkStar
06-09-2004 11:46 PM


quote:
Is the god of christianity different from, and better than the god of judaism or the god of islam? If so, why? If not, why not? Some would claim that all three religions worship one god, while others would disagree saying that the jews rejected their gods messiah and that the muslims follow a false prophet. What say you, christian?
I dont know about judaism, i think they worship the same God. But muslims and christians may think they worship the same. But if they did they would not need 2 different writings that contradict each other on many occasions. The 1 fact that Jesus is a prophet in one and the son of God in the other, is enough to disprove each other as being consistent in worshipping the same God and same teachings.
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PaulK
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Message 24 of 47 (114989)
06-14-2004 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by almeyda
06-14-2004 1:41 AM


Jews don't agree that Jesus was the Son of God in the literal sense that Christians use (and only a few would say that Jesus was the Son of God in any special sense or even accept him as a prophet). So by your argument Christians do not worship the God of the Old Testament (which is Jewish scripture) - and by your reasoning if they did they would not need the New Testament books.
Jews, Christians and Muslims have different ideas ABOUT God (and the Christians are the odd ones out in rejecting the strict monotheism of the other two Faiths). But they all claim to be following the God of the Jewish scriptures.

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almeyda
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Message 25 of 47 (115007)
06-14-2004 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by PaulK
06-14-2004 4:09 AM


One thing ive never really understood or even read about is why dont Jews believe in Jesus like christians, if the New Testament which is a part of the Bible speaks on what Jesus did, that he was the son of God, and all the fullfilled prophecies that the "jewish scripture" spoke about. Why have they rejected the second part of the Holy Bible?.

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PaulK
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Message 26 of 47 (115010)
06-14-2004 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by almeyda
06-14-2004 7:38 AM


Well the fact is that in the thread you started to discuss prophecies supposedly fulfilled by Jesus there was not one you were prepared to argue as a definite example of a significant fulfilled prophecy, might have something to do with it.
The fact that there are genuine messianic prophecies that still remain unfulfilled is also relevant. (Christians say that they will be fulfilled at the Second Coming, but why should Jews believe that ?)
It really isn't true to say that Jesus was so obviously the Messiah that the Jews should have converted. Accept that and it is no harder to explain than the question of why all Christians are not Mormons or Moonies.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 27 of 47 (115185)
06-14-2004 9:17 PM


I have studied all three religions. I have read the Bible and the Quran and even prayed in a Mosque. I have fasted during Ramadan, celebrated Christmas and Passover. Except for some minor differences over Jesus being a literal son of God or not all three religions teach the same thing and worship the same God and should quit griping at each other. Once people acknowledge that the Hebrew and Christian YHWH and Muslim Allah are the same God they will stop fighting each other over the Holy Land.

  
Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 47 (115218)
06-14-2004 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by DarkStar
06-14-2004 12:33 AM


Re: My Two Cents Worth
Jews believe in the god of abraham.
Christians believe in the god of abraham.
Muslims believe in the god of abraham.
What you people who think the Muslim god and the god of the Bible are one and the same are not considering is that all gods have a proper name. The proper name of the god/elohim of the Bible is Jehovah/YHWH and Islam rejects that. I wouldn't care to go into any Muslim fundie nation and start preaching that their god Allah's real name is Jehovah. I'd likely end up in prison, shot or put on the next plane out. They can say all they want to about Abraham and other Biblical characters but until they acknowledge the proper name of the god of their book as the same as the god of the Bible, they're whistling in the wind.

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DarkStar
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Message 29 of 47 (115258)
06-15-2004 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
06-14-2004 11:39 PM


Re: My Two Cents Worth
"Although the name "Allah" is most commonly associated with Islam, it was also used in pre-Islamic times.
The father of Muhammad, Islam's prophet, had the name "Abdullah"; which translates to servant of Allah.
The Arab Jews referred to God as Allah, and the Hebrew form of this name, El or Eloh, was used as an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh.
The Aramaic word for God is also "Allah", therefore it is believed that Jesus Christ also used this word in his teachings.
http://www.faizani.com/portal/allah.html
Cheers

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PaulK
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Message 30 of 47 (115274)
06-15-2004 3:39 AM
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06-14-2004 11:39 PM


Re: My Two Cents Worth
Hoiw often does the New Testament - the Christian scriptures - use the name "Jehovah" Buz ?
How often do they use "God" or an equivalent as the Quran does ?
(Just to help you a Bible Gateway search returns zero hits for "Jehovah" in the NT and 1239 for "God").
Where does Islam reject the Jewish name YHWH ?

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