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Topic: Religion in Government
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nator
Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 27 of 303 (111473)
05-29-2004 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by custard
05-28-2004 11:22 PM
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Part of being in a democracy is that you have to suffer the will of the majority. If the will of the majority creates laws based on religious beliefs - abortion restriction, controlled substances, tax exemptions for religious institutions, then I don't see how one can avoid the influence of religion.
Fortunately, our Constitutuional rights are NOT determined by majority vote in the US.
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 28 of 303 (111476)
05-29-2004 4:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by JCPalmer
05-28-2004 11:49 PM
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Do you believe it is right to take the words 'under God' out of our national anthem?
The words "under God" were inserted into the pledge to the flag in the 1950's. They don't appear in the national anthem.
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 84 of 303 (112597)
06-03-2004 9:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 68 by custard
05-31-2004 5:56 PM
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Re: The key point for me
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What is the overreaction by the FCC to the flood of letters over a single, naked (forty-year old) breast but a response to religious (mostly biblical) morality?
What's so different about 40 year old breasts? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-03-2004 09:01 AM
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 144 of 303 (115334)
06-15-2004 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 89 by custard
06-07-2004 6:16 AM
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Re: The key point for me
So, only perky breasts are sexy?
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 145 of 303 (115337)
06-15-2004 10:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 124 by riVeRraT
06-14-2004 4:04 PM
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Re: I think you have missed the target by a wide margin.
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Besides what are all the reasons that gay people want to get married in the government eyes?
It all has to do with money, and an equal right to it. It doesn't have to do with love because the governement cannot control love.
Pension, medical benifits, governmental benifits, social security, money money money, all coming out of our pockets.
So, I suppose the only reason you got married was because of the money, right? Also, since my husband and I are not going to have any children, does that mean that we are a burden upon taxpayers and we shouldn't be allowed to be married? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-15-2004 09:59 AM
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 187 of 303 (115725)
06-16-2004 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 149 by custard
06-15-2004 2:04 PM
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Re: The key point for me
So, perky young breasts ARE sexier? No wonder so many women get fake tits.
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 188 of 303 (115732)
06-16-2004 11:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 178 by riVeRraT
06-16-2004 8:21 AM
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Re: I think you have hit on something here
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I've had 2 gay people try to molest me when I was younger, and one straight person. So far the gays are in the lead.
I've only ever had straight men try to molest me, so does my personal history trump yours? Personal anecdote is useless here. You need statistics from larger groups to see what's going on in general.
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 197 of 303 (116003)
06-17-2004 9:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 189 by Dr Jack
06-16-2004 11:37 AM
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Re: The key point for me
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perky, young women are sexier in general.
Perky people are sexy? Eww, I hate perky people.  Anyway, what is sexy is culturally influenced, too. It isn't all biology. In French culture, for example, women in their 30's and 40's, and even older, are considered very hot because by then they will have learned what they need to know to be great in bed.
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Fake tits are horrible.
But fake tits are perkier and younger looking, so wouldn't that mean they are sexier?
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 198 of 303 (116008)
06-17-2004 10:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
06-17-2004 7:00 AM
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Re: I think you have hit on something here
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Thats my point, that what was said about straights being more of a threat is an unknown, because statistics can lie.
Being straight or gay has nothing to do with being sick.
Statistics can lie, but they can also be indicative of the truth. Everything I have found says that a disproportionate percentage of child molesters are heterosexual. I wouldn't call that "unknown".
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 205 of 303 (116160)
06-17-2004 6:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 204 by custard
06-17-2004 5:36 PM
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Re: The key point for me
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Yeah, when I was in Paris I remember seeing all those commercials on TV with those very hot 40-year-old babes... wait a MO-MENT, I don't recall seeing them at all! In fact, even the porn channel in the hotel only showed nubile young men and women!
Wow, you watched French TV commercials and porn and now you are an expert on French culture!
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 207 of 303 (116164)
06-17-2004 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 206 by custard
06-17-2004 6:08 PM
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Re: The key point for me
How about talking to people, reading their literature, looking at their art cinema and paintings? In Europe, people aren't nearly as addicted to TV as Americans are. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 06-17-2004 05:18 PM
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 209 of 303 (116182)
06-17-2004 7:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 208 by custard
06-17-2004 6:41 PM
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Re: The key point for me
I wasn't actually talking about popular culture, but as long as you brought it up... bold added by me. http://www.21stcentury.com.cn/print.php?sid=6562
The French are not only less sentimental about sex, but they also actually enjoy seeing mature women as sexually alluring creatures. French actresses Sophie Marcear (Top), Catherine Deneuve (Bottom left) and Julitte Binoche are among the top 15 film stars in France. Fifty-eight-year-old Deneuve, 53-year-old Ardant, and others over a certain age (74-year-old Jeanne Moreau, for one) continue to be sexy and bankable celebrities. In France, seven of the top 15 bankable stars are women, according to James Ulmer's (Hollywood Hot List) calculations. All except 24-year-old Audrey Tautou are older than 35. Contrast that with the American list of top 15 stars, which includes only two women Julia Roberts and Nicole Kidman. Kidman is 35, and Roberts turns 35 next month. "In America, you get older faster. You are old at 40," said James Ulmer, who published the "Hollywood Hot List" in 1997. "The French give women the opportunity to age gracefully and to be feminine. French film allows them to be sexual and sensual in a way we don't. We don't allow women to be sexual after 40, and you see that in the way movies are cast. Movies are a reflection of the culture." http://www.rendezvousfrance.com/kunz.html
Q. How different is the environment in which French women grew up in from the environment of an American woman? A. They have been exposed to history. In their history there are king' mistresses, women who are older than men and still fascinate men. You grow up with a lot of wonderful art around. In the U.S. you would be concerned to have a nude statue in a park! Here, you see statues everywhere, you don't need to go to a museum. There is such sensuousness. French people don't have a problem with age. My Gosh! In California aren't they doing everything not to look a day over 30. Here, I am more comfortable with my age. It is relaxing.
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 211 of 303 (116186)
06-17-2004 7:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 210 by custard
06-17-2004 7:40 PM
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Re: The key point for me
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Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 302 of 303 (118630)
06-25-2004 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 249 by riVeRraT
06-18-2004 10:07 AM
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I was also pointing out that if I pay taxes supporting gay marriage, then I am supporting gay sex, which could possible be against God's will.
But if you pay taxes to support straight marriage, then you are supporting the ability of some straight married couples to engage in sodomy if they like that sort of thing. You are supporting straight couples doing all sorts of things that you and your religion probably wouldn't approve of, and you are doing that already.
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