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bob_gray
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Message 74 of 138 (115916)
06-16-2004 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by crashfrog
06-16-2004 3:05 AM


What dreams may come + asteroids
I think Darkstar was correct about it being a dream.
quote:
From: http://bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp
I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace: I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof. 10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. 11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: 12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
I'm not sure where that falls in the scientific spectrum though, I suppose it depends on how literally you want to take the bible.
I don't know that anyone can make the claim about falling stars to be asteroids. We may know that now but there is no reference in the bible to an asteroid. I'll save Darkstar the research and post from the bible website above:
quote:
"asteroid" was not found in the old or new testament.

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bob_gray
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Message 77 of 138 (116014)
06-17-2004 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by sidelined
06-17-2004 1:32 AM


Re: What dreams may come + asteroids
They obviously did not,as I pointed,out understand the Earth to be a sphere but rather as a great circle the entirety of which could be seen from a great enough height.
That is true. You probably wouldn't have this sort of dream if you understood that the earth was a sphere instead of a circle. Dream or not it does indicate a certain lack of understanding of the earth's shape.

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bob_gray
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Message 79 of 138 (116207)
06-17-2004 9:14 PM
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06-17-2004 8:48 PM


You paddle your kayak...
6 minutes?

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bob_gray
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Message 86 of 138 (116601)
06-18-2004 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by DarkStar
06-18-2004 9:42 PM


Re: What dreams may come + asteroids
Star: from the Greek "Aster" meaning "star like".
Naw, couldn't possibly be referring to an "asteroid", now could it.....
No, it couldn't. I'm not saying that the word "asteroid" and "star" don't have the same root. "Constellation" also has the same root. This is not compelling evidence that the writers of the bible had sufficient knowledge to distinguish between a star and an asteroid. Are you also going to claim that they understood that some of the stars we see are galaxies and not stars at all?

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bob_gray
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Message 92 of 138 (116954)
06-20-2004 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by DarkStar
06-20-2004 11:26 PM


Re: What dreams may come + asteroids
quote:
Talk about strawman peppered with ad hominem.
If I used either of these logical fallacies then I will apologize as soon as you quote the places where I used them.
In the interim let me see if I can restate your argument that the writers of the bible, although they wrote "star", really meant "asteroid". Correct me where I am mistaken.
Begin argument
"Star" and "asteroid" have the same Greek root "Aster" meaning "star like".
End argument
So what you are saying is that, "No need for further debate because DarkStar knows the mind of ancient writers!"
It would appear that we are at an impasse. (Although personally I find my argument far more compelling. )

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bob_gray
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Message 97 of 138 (117086)
06-21-2004 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by DarkStar
06-21-2004 12:50 AM


Re: Neo-evolutionary thinking?
quote:
Actually, they did not write "star", they wrote "aster" seeing as how they wrote in greek and not english. The greek word for star is "astron" so I would bet that if they meant star and not asteroid they would have used "astron". Consider yourself corrected.
Fair enough (although this was not your original argument). I don't have the original Greek with me and it would be useless even if I did since I can't read Greek. Perhaps you can answer this question since you apparently read Greek. Can you give an example of where they used the word "astron" as opposed to "aster" in the bible? If they were using two different words why did they all get translated the same? I guess that must have been a failing of the translator.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
quote:
One could hardly consider the individuals during the Greco-Roman time period to be as archaic in their cogitative evaluations as you would have us believe they were, as if, according to your inferences, they were only slightly above neanderthals [sic] in intelligence and comprehension.
I do not consider the ancient people to have been deficient in their cogitative evaluations in any way. In fact I don't think there was any difference in their capacity for knowledge than we have today. What they were lacking was 3000 years of scientific knowledge and records. As an example of their obvious cleverness there were cultures 3000 years ago that had decimal approximations for the square root of two accurate to 12 places. Of course they weren't using a decimal system they were using a base 16 system of numbers and I don't think they had zero yet. I think you extended my belief that they didn't understand the "falling stars" weren't stars at all with their inability to form coherent thought. They probably didn’t know about gamma radiation either but that doesn’t make them stupid. Do you misinterpret things people write because you are looking for a fight or do you really have reading comprehension issues?

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bob_gray
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Message 102 of 138 (117473)
06-22-2004 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by DarkStar
06-21-2004 3:10 PM


Re: Neo-evolutionary thinking?
quote:
DarkStar replies:
In the interest on honoring a previous response to AdminNosy, I shall ignore this obvious insult to my intelligence and place you on my ignore list until you also clean it up.
Cheers

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DarkStar, you just made it to the top of my funniest posters list.

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