You still haven't told me exactly how "biblion" connotates roundness, removed from English.
I say that although the Greeks wrote their own versions of religious texts in their own language and understanding, John in referring to the "book" in Revelations that is being described by the Greek word 'biblion', is actually referring to the "sealed book" mentioned by Daniel, and because of the "in the Hebrew tongue" hint cited twice in the New Testament, and because we know that the Greeks employed 'secret methods' of writing, we have to focus on the original Hebrew meanings and contexts of this "book" - the "end time book" mentioned in the Bible.
If you want me to say that the surface text meaning of the general Greek word "book" doesn't have 'roundness', then no it doesn't in the Greek context of the word 'biblion'. But John WAS in a Roman jail, and would have probably been aware of Latin words such as 'rota' (wheel).
I have stated my case several times. It is you who wishes to remove the English and Latin associations.
If you chose not to understand Mr Pegg's methods, that is fine.
We must agree to disagree on this one, and move on - or we will be repeating ourselves and missing the opportunity to examine the many other important discoveries made by Mr Pegg.
Why the conclusion of a 386? What evidence shows this?
Er..please re-read the 13 paragraphs in my previous post that ends with :
"In summary, here are some of the pieces of evidence that led Mr Pegg to the PC 386 conclusion
Individual pieces of a computer are described in Hebrew texts, and are of a yellowish colour. 8 bit technology. Windows 3 operating system. 1995 cd-rom needs a PC 386 as a minimum. Mormon historical records mention the number of floppy disks required to set up MS-Dos 6 and Windows 3 on a PC 386. A Mormon historical picture shows a witness holding a clear plastic cd-rom case.
Thesemany attributes of a mid 1990s PC 386 are described and documented in ancient texts";
Why did they use a PC 386 ? Time travel can't be so easy and cheap that they'd waste it on as frivolous a trip as getting a computer that sucks. Why would they bother?
I am not in a position to guess or speculate at the reasons why time travellers may have utilized a particular piece of technology. I personally do not know the answer to this.
I hope questions like this may eventually be answered when a more extensive examination of Mr Pegg's evidence and methods are conducted. At the moment, I can only examine the evidence so far presented - and either agree or disagree with his conclusions.
What evidence shows that it was that particular cdrom? Is it anything in the texts.
Many ancient texts describe certain similar imagery and sequences of images, both in the plain text and also when using the Hebrew and Greek origins. Genesis 1:1-6 is a good example.
Available from the new introduction of the PPHC-SG web site
http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au is a downloadable pdf file that contains a summary of this imagery from many of the world's Creation Myths.
Then in the Member Area, the "Ancients CD-Rom Overview" and "Examine Specific Claims" sections of the STUDY OPTIONS menu item shows you the visual evidence - when ancient descriptions are viewed as you read the sequence of images described in ancient texts (from the .pdf pages).
Exodus 35:11-13 "The tabernacle, his tent, and his covering, his hooks, and his boards, his bars, his pillars, and his bases, The ark, and the staves thereof, [with] the mercy seat, and the vail of the covering, The table, and his staves, and all his vessels, and the shewbread".
query -- Where, pray tell, did your translation come from?
Using the Hebrew etymology and original primary root meanings as cited in
Strong's Concordance and not the given English words found in modern Bibles.
(Extracted from the PPHC-SG web site with permission):
H-word 4908 "tabernacle" means 'a residence' (as in the Temple).
168 "tent" means 'a covering' as clearly conspicuous from a distance. ie 'a conspicuous covering'.
4372 "covering" comes from word 3680 which means 'to plump' as in to fill in the hollow.
7165 "taches" means 'a belaying pin' but comes from word 7164 which means 'to protrude'.
The Old English word for "belaying" lecgan comes from two words 'be-lay'. "Pin" means 'to hold firmly in one position'. So using the Old English and Hebrew etymologies, "taches" refers to 'something that is belayed and is held firmly in one position on a protrusion'.
7175 "boards" is from an unused root that means 'to split off'.
1280 "bars" comes from word 1272 which means 'to flee suddenly'.
5982 "pillars" means 'a standing column'.
This gives;
The conspicuous covering of the residence. Something belayed is to fill in the hollow and be held firmly in position on the protrusion from the tabernacle that splits off then flees suddenly.
"The protrusion from the tabernacle" refers to the CD-Rom Drive Tray that protrudes from a computer and then "flees suddenly" once a compact disk is placed "firmly in position in the hollow".
134 "sockets" means 'a basis of a building' but comes from the same as word 113 which means 'controller', and is given the meanings of 'foundation' and 'sockets'. This derives 'the sockets at the foundation of the controller building'.
727 "ark" means 'a box'.
905 "staves" means 'a separation'.
3727 "Mercy Seat" means 'a lid'.
6532 "vail" means 'the sacred screen'.
4539 "covering" comes from word 5526 which means 'to entwine' or to join together.
7979 "table" means 'a spread out table'.
905 "staves' means a staff or rod.
3627 "vessels" means 'an apparatus, a utensil'.
This gives;
From the sockets at the foundation of the controller box; a separation - the Mercy Seat lid and the sacred screen; joined together - a spread out table and a staff utensil.
The "staff utensil" (a computer's mouse) and the "spread out table" (the keyboard) are joined to the "controller box" (CPU box) via "sockets" at its base, as is the "sacred screen" (monitor).
Note: Mr Pegg comments that he was amazed that so many of the English words in the Bible did NOT reflect the original Hebrew root and etymological meanings and contexts.
Exodus 38:7-8 "he made the altar hollow with boards. And he made the laver of brassand the foot of it of brass, of the looking glasses" decoded reveals that; the Mercy Seat altar is a yellowish round excavated platform for a glistening polished plate; and that the looking-glass mirror has a brass coloured stand..
query -- about the translation ??
Exodus 38:7-8 tells us attributes of the Mercy Seat and Looking Glass.
H-word 3871 "boards" means 'a glistening, polished or plate'.
3595 "laver" means 'something round as excavated'; a platform.
"Brass" is a yellowish colour.
This means that the Mercy Seat altar is a yellowish excavated round platform for a glistening polished plate. ie. the protruding CD-Rom Tray
H-word 3653 "foot" means 'a stand'.
4759 "looking glasses" means 'a vision' and also 'a mirror'.
This means the looking-glass mirror has a brass coloured stand. ie. the monitor's stand is a yellowish shade, being the colour of the plastic generally used for computers in the early 1990s.
The decoding of 2 Kings 25:17 reveals a data transfer rate of 8 bit.
query -- This one I don't get. -- Windows 3.1, btw, is 16 bit. not 8
I checked with a local computer technician who confirmed to me that early 1990s 386/486 ran 8 bit, Pentiums ran 16 bit. - I can't remember what he told me next ran 32 then 64 bit - sorry.
You will find a copy of Mr Pegg's explanation for this decoding in his Research Booklet #7, The Matter as Spoken", page 938, which is available by downloading it from the PPHC-SG web site in "Download PDF Booklets" from the LINKS menu item in the Member Area.
Here briefly is his explanation of the decoding of 2Kings 25:17. ie. "The first standing column to rise 8 to 10. A means of access to the main part of the system is set upon the base. The level of attainment is set at 3 units (of measurement)".
This means "2 (the base) to the power (the unit of measurement) of 3" and gives 2^3 (or 2x 2x 2) which derives the number 8. But in base eight there is no digit "8".
The number 8 is represented by the digit combination 10. Thus the unit column raises to the next one for the number 8 in base 8 to the digits 10.
Exactly what the encoded message states.
Using etymology, the literal decoding of Numbers 7:88 reads as "blahblahblah" Mine reads as "And all the oxen for the sacrifice of the peace offerings [were] twenty and four bullocks, the rams sixty, the he goats sixty, the lambs of the first year sixty. This [was] the dedication of the altar ".
query -- What do you think they're saying? and, uhh, I checked the etymology.
You will find Mr Pegg's full translation of Numbers 7:88 on page 944 of his research Booklet #7, The Matter as Spoken".
He ends by saying, quote- "While not grammatically fluent the "feel" from the etymology has just described 16 thin floppy discs (unrecognizable thing) with a metal locking protector (sliding metal protector) as a specific 'force' from a larger group of 24 that are inserted (offered up)."-end quote
Out of all the words from this verse, I am having trouble following three of his 'decodings' (unless you allow his use of the English dictionary meanings in reference to derived words), but have confirmed his 'decoding' of the word "sixty" as 16 by referring to the special notes in the Concordance.
This is how I see it from those notes: H-word 8346 "sixty" is a multiple of H-word 8337 meaning 'six' which itself can be in connection with the principal word to which it is attached (in this case 'six') and rendered in English as one word, given as "sixteen" which means that two Hebrew words are translated into one. ie. 6 + 10 (with 10 being the number of fingers from 8337).
Mr Pegg's explanation follows the literal meanings from the concordance:
quote- " Word 8346 "sixty" means 'a multiple of word 8337'. Word 8337 means 'six (as an overplus beyond the fingers of the hand)' and gives '16'. This is derived from the number '6' plus the number of fingers on both hands '10'; 6 +10 =16." - end quote.
I agree with Mr Pegg and am happy that the Old English scribes may not have used the correct meaning and given it as 60, but I am putting this verse on my list of things to double check, as I am only 85 percent happy with his overall 'decoding' of this verse. I usually expect at least 95 percent (allowing for my own disagreements and opinions).
it's reasonably well known that john in revelation was talking about nero csar, and the burning of rome. if you want some proof, take nero's name in hebrew: nrwn qsr. since hebrew letters work like roman numerals and have significance, and n=50, r=200, w=6, q=100, and s=60, nero = 666. apparently, it also works in aramaic.
What an inconsistency !!
In previous posts people have been dismissing Mr Pegg using Hebrew and Greek etymology and the associated Latin meanings and encoding methods of those ancient times, yet now you are suggesting that the Greek writer John, was talking about the Roman Nero Caesar, and as evidence you use the Hebrew translation of Nero's name (as Mr Pegg does plus the Latin association), use the Hebrew letters as numbers (where did that come from?), and manipulate those decimal based numbers (that were not in existence in John's time), and come up with a solution that apparently matches a religious symbolic number mentioned in the Bible.
I would have the same reaction to this method as you are having to Mr Pegg's methods, except for the reality of it all: you have just described one of the many other methods that Mr Pegg employs to find his 'hidden messages'.
So you now have to decide whether his methods, which you are using yourself when it suits you, are valid, or whether what you wrote is just a load of babble as many people claim Mr Pegg's work to be.
If you truly believe in the number - Hebrew - letter - Greek associations that you have mentioned, then I am sure you will find some of the other discoveries of Mr Pegg's fascinating when you come across them.
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