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Author Topic:   Facts vs. Truth
pink sasquatch
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Message 4 of 9 (116495)
06-18-2004 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by mike the wiz
06-18-2004 2:01 PM


I would want to ride the bike, whereas someone else might want to know how it works. Telling them, "It works because I like riding it" might be useless to that person.
I agree with your analogy - but to take it a bit of step further:
There are also a small subset of people who like the why of the bike (riding it), don't know how it works, but stubbornly try to argue the physics of internal combustion having only read the motorcycle's owner's manual.
This can be most frustrating to both the "just riders" and the physicists.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 5 of 9 (116499)
06-18-2004 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by MexicanHotChocolate
06-18-2004 2:21 AM


Something can be a True without necessarily being a Fact.
It can? Perhaps I've confused by the wordplay. What is "a True"?
If the truth is known, then it is a fact, no?
Is Truth simply what is, but is unknown? In that case is Truth unknown Fact?

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Message 8 of 9 (116543)
06-18-2004 4:51 PM
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06-18-2004 3:26 PM


I agree that their are creationists that have done their homework - that's why I used "small subset" in my analogy.
And I agree that most on both sides of the argument are not 'experts'.
Certain (by no means all) creationists are specifically frustrating when the Bible is the only source they acknowledge, to the point that they don't know the basic ideas of the theories they claim to support and disprove. Discussion is rendered pointless.

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