A modern object described in ancient texts negates Creation Myth

Thanks for answering, first of all. It seemed like he was being sarcastic, but alright. Thank you for being honest about the uncertainty. While I guess this would in part answer that particular question, that's still a solution based solely on assumption, which does not make good science as I've learned from people on this forum. In the assumption that this took place, I agree. However, the fact that he heard them could also imply that there was no computer to read it off of, and to decide instead to assume that the guy told him would be based off another assumption that the two could communicate.This was in answer to my question about whether or not this chronological exodus would cause a time paradox: I understand and agree that each time somebody went back it would probably add more to the Bible or some other holy text. But here's a better way of asking my original question: If after reading something from the Bible in 2020 somebody decides to go back and meet the author, and winds up adding a new text to the present day Bible he originally read, wouldn't that change the way it was published so he'd already seen the new text that he created?That was a little wavery, but how about this: If somebody goes back in time and separates his mother and father from eachother, wouldn't he logically cease to exist? If so, then how could he have been born to go back in time and separate them? That's about where most people's brains explode.(Answering why the time traveller went back in the first place) In another thread when somebody(Crashfrog, most likely) asked why he brought such a junk computer back with him, you said we couldn't really guess a time traveller's motives. So, how do we know that's what he was doing, with that in mind? Somehow I don't think a competent person that wanted to change some ancient civilization's outlook would attempt it by showing him a piece of technology and showing him programs on CD rom. Just from my perspective, the only purpose to showing computer programs to 2000 year old people would be to freak them out; which is exactly what I would do if I could go back in time . Agreed, but in that same stance we may also assume that people can turn elephant drawings into babies if they have the knowledge. I'm not discounting either of the POSSIBILITES, but this scenario has quite a few kinks. I'm sorry if it seemed that way. I assure you that's not so. But I'll answer that by responding to the rest: But I can't hop into the local time machine and operate it. I also have not seen any time machines in anything but cheesy sci-fi movies that I never want to see again because sci-fi movies usually suck.I'm not saying the concept of a time machine is impossible, just improbable. Also, with all the time paradox possibilities like my example above I can't help but be a little more skeptical. But just because you can make the text sound like it's describing something similar to these objects doesn't mean it is, and it certainly doesn't say with any solid merit that a time traveller must have brought those specific objects back to that era nor does it say anything about his or her motives. Possible around the likelyhood of .0012% maybe. Also, if we're going to use the bandwagon approach, a lot of people on this forum(some of which are veteran skeptics like Crashfrog) have disagreed after reading the website and have concluded that this scenario is entirely ficticious. What does this have to do with time travel or this theory? I haven't had any visitors from the future for quite some time... 16 years, as a matter of fact.But I have had aliens. And robots, lots of robots...This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 06-20-2004 01:01 AM

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If the first time travel encounter that caused the religons to form was deleted from history, then no religions would form, thus no religious societies, means no civilization as we now know it.They had to CORRECT the error(s), not erase the consequences - being our current civilization.

Yes. That's why the existing texts can not (should not) be changed by time travel. What has happened due to past encounters can not be changed without erasing our present. The way Mr Pegg explains it, shows that warnings about the past mistakes are given so that the 'present' people can make the changes. In this way our "history" will remain the same. He would not cease to exist because he is physically here (- there, at the 'earlier' time when he separated his parents). He will influence the "new" future (because it is yet to happen) because he will still be himself (at the age he is when he time travelled and arrived at the 'earlier' time) and becomes part of that new history - he just won't have a historical past in that 'earlier' time . And he will not change the 'original history' because that is from where he came. But where that 'original' history goes when his influences changes the first time line is where my brain starts to go into overload. No, no.no.no.no - clarify !
The question was specifically Why the particular 386 PC computer taken back in time (for the many reasons given by several people).
I said I personally do not know.Another question of "Why time travel back to ancient people" is a separate issue.
Mr Pegg has given his conclusions - To tell each new (chronologically advanced) group of people he visited that the previous group 'got it wrong'. Exactly. This is why I have placed Mr Pegg's written and visual research documentation and slide shows on the PPHC-SG website, and brought some of his claims to this forum.
I want to get to the bottom of his claims just like everyone else.
His evidence needs to be examined piece by piece, and the assumptions sifted out from the solid conclusions. Since May 5 2004 over 2,900 people have visited the PPHC-SG web site. Of these about 20 people have indicated in their opinion "the possibility" of time travel being involved.
That's actually .06 percent, not the .0012 you say. LOL OK, so I should not have used the bandwagon approach, plus the web site has only been opened for a month or so, it is early days - sorry, it was late and I was tired. A sloppy analogy on my behalf, sorry.
The overall point I was making concerns a person's own lack of technological understanding of how something is made or works does not in itself exclude the possibility that the device is real or could be made.I was loosely basing my comments on an incident concerning a New Guinea tribe who encountered Europeans with guns for the first time.
Not knowing that they were being threatened with death, they walked up and looked down the barrels of the guns.In my analogy, not knowing what a motor vehicle was (or ignoring its existence), would not stop me getting hurt.

I am late in joining the discussion here so perhaps someone could bring me up to speed. Is someone seriously claiming time travel to be actually occuring or have I just interupted an ongoing joke?

It is no joke.
An Australian researcher claims that he has evidence of modern objects being described in ancient texts and artworks.
This forum has been discussing some of the interesting claims made in relation to this.You will find information about these claims on the PPHC Study Group web site.Whether it is true or not is yet to be determined.
Examine the visual evidence for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

I'm just looking over this thread also-A quick question: Is there a reason why the hypothesis is time travel to the past, as opposed to prophecy, which would seem to make sense in Biblical perspective and still allow the inclusion of modern objects?

Then how did the first iteration of civilization happen, I mean, the one that led to time travel?Why would it take a time travelling craptop to come up with all religions? L. Ron Hubbard started a religion with nothing but a shitty sci-fi novel. But you've got the consequences - a time-travel-capable civilization - occuring before the action - the time-trip in question.

Because prophecy is impossible. Duh! It must be time travel.

There are many, many cases of independant invention. Eliminating an incident of invention once does not preclude it being invented. An example is bread. You can find independant developement of bread in areas with wheat, areas with maize and areas with rice. Aditional examples are alphabets, astronomy, numbering systems and beasts of burden.This is even true in nature. Look at the variety of ways that sight and locomotion developed.Sorry, but I see no support in that assertion.

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E.P.Born2Preach writes You reply Perhaps I missed it but where did these people get power to run a computer much less a computer itself to use the CD-Rom?

I asked that in another thread. There are plenty of possibilities (simplest one would be to purchase a semi-portable generator at the same time as the computer, and just stock up on lots of gasoline).However, none of them are actually mentioned, while the alleged computer is described in detail...

[Cliff mode on]It's a little known fact that the traveler did not bring along spare batteries. He used the lighter adapter next to the cup holder on the time machine to recharge it. They took the Italian version back because Latin and modern Italian are the same. Paul spoke Italian but wrote in Greek. The Greek version of the Cd-Rom was not released though until VI months after the traveler went back.Scribes were knowledgable people that wrote scribbles which is where we got the Game Scrabble. It was introduced by Kilroy the Elder and the first game was held at the Maximus Glutimus, on a board carved into the walls of the training room and won by the German-Roman gladiator Graff Itti. It has long been suspected that he had secret access to a modern dictionary since he won by placing the Q in Quovadis on a triple score square. Ever since then sayings showing superior sense or style witten on walls have been named in his honor. [Cliff mode off]You guys are so dense sometimes. Pour me another one Coach.

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Why not just plug the computer directly into the time machine, then? Since it seems to have presented no suprise to the people present.Also, in case anyone has actually used the program in question; would the content be understandable by someone ~2000 years ago without the basic education of our time?This message has been edited by Melchior, 06-20-2004 12:21 PM

jarThanks for straightening me out on that.Man the U.S. Postal service sure is wasting that man's talents.LOL

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As most cognisti know, there are indications that the CD-Rom was viewed in Chariots. This coin, thought by some to be a depiction of the Time Traveler in his Time Machine which was disguised as a Chariot is lasting proof. Close examination shows that each horse has two hind legs, but only one front leg. This is an example of the problems caused by the inability of the Ancients to understand what the Time Traveler was showing on the CD-Rom. The Ancients, misunderstanding the nature of horse power became torqued. It is also the source for the modern three legged race which is still practiced in honor of the unknown time traveler.[Cliff mode off]Coach, just one more and I gotta get back on the route.

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