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crashfrog
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Message 65 of 97 (116929)
06-20-2004 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by almeyda
06-20-2004 5:18 AM


Kinds are a group of organisms that can interbreed among themselves, but not with another group.
Let's pretend we have two organisms in front of us that can't interbreed.
How do we tell if they're from the same kind and have lost the ability to interbreed (which creationists tell us happens sometimes) or if they're from two different kinds and have never been able to interbreed?

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crashfrog
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Message 67 of 97 (117044)
06-21-2004 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by almeyda
06-21-2004 6:40 AM


Evolution is evolving into higher more complex life forms not devolving with mutations and already existing genes.
Mutations do that, though. They're new gene alleles. Like that new Hemoglobin C gene that confers resistance to malaria without the same anemic consequences of Hemoglobin S.
As evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or the information necessary for each increase in complexity
What are you talking about? Random mutation and natural selection provide that capability. Random mutation is the source of random strings and natural selection filters out all but the ones with additional "information", whatever that is.
You're saying that "evolution has no process to generate new information", but evolution - or the mechanisms of evolution, anyway - are that process.

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crashfrog
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Message 69 of 97 (117050)
06-21-2004 8:05 AM
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06-21-2004 7:48 AM


How do we go from that one celled organism into all living things.
By random mutation and natural selection; proven, observed processes with the creative power to give rise to phenomenal species change.
So for evolution to work it needs to add new information into the genes. But in all observations of natural selection, adaptation are all downhill processes.
Only if you define "downhill" as "any change from what was before." In that case, of course, it's a contradiction in terms to ask for an "uphill change", because you've already defined "change" as "downhill."
Pretty clever, Almeyda, but not clever enough. There's more than enough examples of mutations that confer positive, advantageous traits. I just gave you one before - human Hemoglobin C.
It would help evolutionists or better yet be necessary to point to examples of this.
I did already.
Dr Dawkins a man whos books has sold millions and who is never lost for words was stoped like a deer in the headlights in the video 'From Frog to a Prince' when asked if he could give one example of a mutation or any evolutionary procces which has added information to the genome.
Actually, in that session, he gives several examples of information-increasing mutations. Why didn't you see or hear any of them? The creationists who made the video edited them out.
Here's a little more about that video fraud:
CB102.1: Dawkins interviewed about evolution increasing information
Doesn't it ever anger you, Almeyda, how creationists lie to you? I know it angered me when I found out. I used to be a creationist too, you know.

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crashfrog
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Message 71 of 97 (117412)
06-22-2004 3:23 AM
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06-22-2004 3:15 AM


Almeyda, if you're not even going to read my posts, don't bother replying, ok? You seriously didn't ask a single question that my previous post didn't address.
If you want to know more about human Hemoglobin C, why don't you search on http://www.pubmed.org? It's an open database of biological literature.

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