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coffee_addict
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Message 9 of 145 (117364)
06-21-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by PeriferaliiFocust
06-21-2004 11:22 PM


Just a few things.
PeriferaliiFocust writes:
Steen, what the crap is your problem? However your contempt to me is understandable, you probably get dumb creationist questions enough to want to kill someone, that's why i explained that my question was not coming from a creationist.
No, you just sound like someone that has read a news article on a topic related to evolution and decided that what you just read is as much as anyone will ever know about evolution. In fact, you sound like someone that assumes that your professor knows as little as you.
With your miracle comment you are assuming my definition of 'miracle' is something that happens without the laws of physics, that's ridiculous. I know it is natural, but it is still amazing to think of what has come from a single original cell.
According to http://www.dictionary.com:
Miracle: An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God.
If you are going to start making up your own definitions for these common English words, make sure you tell people about it to avoid misunderstandings.
Of coarse evolution is built on simple concepts, but in the large mass which life has replicated to, it builds up to huge complexities. That's evolution, simple working together to become complex and comprehensive.
Again, you really sound like someone that knows absolutely nothing about evolutionary theories.
I think my point does make sense, you know how long evolution took right?
Evolution happens in short spurts over long periods of time. In other words, an evolutionary event can happen in a relatively short time.
I'm sure you know our existence is a blink in the span of it, so i'm not sure why you so passionately oppose the idea that it's simply to big for us to completely understand.
You sound like one of the preachers I've encountered in the past. He claimed that we could never understand god's work, therefore we should never use the "brain" to understand anything related to god.
We can study it, and learn a lot, but there is so much we don't know. If you don't think theres more to learn, than you my friend are not applying evolution, because it'll never be over.
Noone has yet to claim that we know everything there is to know.
What i meant in referring to evolution as a belief is related to my understanding that we must accept everything on faith.
Um... no. That is totally against the scientific method. I think you are imposing the creationist method on the scientific method, which have made you very confused.
The reason behind a belief doesn't have to be blind, however the fact is that you cant proove anything. Proove to me you haven't been dreaming your entire life and that your entire reality is a simulation. Until you can do that you must accept everything you see on what you choose to believe.
Hold on a second. What the hell does this have anything to do with what we are talking about? You are talking about a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Science ain't about proving anything.
And you really screwed that first point, with your final one. As you can see you first told me to understand, not blindly believe (i assure you i must understand something before choosing to believe it). And your last sentence told me to accept something with no explanation whatsoever on why i should. That would be blind belief.
This is where I get cranky on some people. They expect other people to be able to explain in a single message on a public forum something that takes people years of college courses and years of scientific research to learn. If it was so simple to explain, there'd be no more creationist left in the world.
The point is, if you want to have your question answered and fully understand the answer given to you, go take a college course or read a book. Just stop by your local library to check out some books on the topic.

The Laminator

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coffee_addict
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Message 12 of 145 (117396)
06-22-2004 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by PeriferaliiFocust
06-22-2004 12:50 AM


I can't really express how much I just laughed before I started posting this message. I wasn't laughing at your post... actually I was laughing at your post but more at the unintended humor behind it.
In any case, I'll accept it for now. At the time that I was posting it, I was pissed off at the world and the fact that I actually had to copy and paste your username. I probably used you more as an anger dumping ground than a debate opponent.
I just realized that I've picked up a bad habit of judging people too soon. More often than not, we get the hit-and-run people that try to sound like they're rocket scientists but then run away when they are confronted with the real thing. Anyway, my life has been busy and I'm feeling like kicking somebody's arse for no good reason. Your comment:
quote:
I think you have to admit that here you're just attacking me cause you think i'm stupid.
isn't far from the truth. With that, I apologize.
By the way, please use the reply button with the red arrow. It makes our lives a heck of a lot better.

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coffee_addict
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Message 17 of 145 (118463)
06-24-2004 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by AdminNosy
06-24-2004 4:24 PM


Re: Topic!
Phew! I was in the process of writing a response to his post when I realized it's off-topic. Wouldn't want my arse kicked by an admin.

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coffee_addict
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Message 35 of 145 (124461)
07-14-2004 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Wounded King
07-14-2004 11:40 AM


Re: flow through hearts and lungs...
Wounded King, I have to ask. What the heck is in that jar (your avatar). I thought it was brain but it doesn't look like brain.

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