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maxm007
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Message 1 of 34 (1139)
12-23-2001 2:32 AM


I've been scouring the webforums about this subject. From extremely religious forums that tend to shift to fundamentalist views to forums of intellectual evolutionalists that claim to have all the answers. I've come to the conclusion that creationists make it a sport to critisize insignificant details and flaws of any development or new theory on evolution by people that mostly spend their whole life studying the subject.
I observed that Creationists in my oppinion tend to panick that evolution theory pushes a god further and further away from their existance and reduces them too close for comfort to an organism instead of a child of some superbeing. The irony of it is , I think, is that Evolutionism doesn't prove that there isn't a god, yet religious people are really defensive about Evolution. It just puts god in a different perspective and should enrich religions. Even though I'm an atheist and an evolutionist I respect religions or any seekers of truth for that matter, but I tend lose that respect when I see people bashing scientific method that made you be able to microwave your dinner yet they accept without question the contents of some book written and rewritten by mortal people. Science is by no means perfect but this childish denial of some people really needs to stop.
You creationists , prove to me that the sun is a star. Have you been to star before? Have you seen it closeby with your own eyes? You accept that as a scientific fact , yet you cannot accept evolutional theories that are formed in the same way. I'm stepping in your view of the world here.
Religion always resisted science in history , they have always been competing . Religion is the answer to the unanswerable for the ignorant being. When science actually tries to formulate an answer , religion feel threatened. It took years and several scientists to convince people the earth wasn't flat nor the center of the universe even though their calculations where accurate but people simply did not accept any infractions on their beliefs or self adorance (indeed that's what christianity and most religions really teach : we are the children of a superbeing , so that makes us kind of "super" ourselves) . The definitive proof came when we orbited earth and saw it with our own eyes that Earth was a sphere. Maybe someday we will breach another frontier called Time and denying people will see it with their own eyes that Evolution did make us what we are and then the next question will be: Who/what caused evolution to happen? And Scientists will have theories and Religion will have an interpretation of the bible I hope I live to write a simular post then
Greetings
Maxime Hillaert
Belgium
P.S. Pardon my dutch-speaking-brains for any spelling errors in the english language .
Maxime Hillaert
-In life nobody is right, the most rightious are the ones who realise that-
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maxm007
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Message 8 of 34 (1174)
12-23-2001 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by ekimklaw
12-23-2001 11:37 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by ekimklaw:
[B]Hello Max,
You have called Christians ignorant, yet you admit you are an Atheist. [/QUOTE]
Hi ekimklaw,
Ignorant may have been a bad choice of words from my part.
quote:
Have you tried to study the Bible? Probably not.
Well , I've been to a catholic school. I've had religion as a subject in school for 8 years in a row 3 hours a week. So I know a little about the bible. (don't ask me to quote verses please
)
I'll be the first one to admit that the people who wrote this book presented a revolutionary way of living and view on life. Jezus is to me a great person and philosopher. So unheard in his time were his ideas that people lifted him up to a demi-god.
Like Buddha, mohamed , etc. etc.
Ok now it's your turn, go to the library and start reading up on famous philosophers modern and ancient. And while you are there , lend a Desmond Morris book or any other evolutionist.
quote:
If you did, you would sense a supernatural quality to the book. But you've prejudged this world-changing and life altering book without investigation on your own.
I read plenty of books that changed my life and that totaly changed my view on the world.
Supernatural feelings about a book I still have to experience. But it sounds like a very subjective emotion you have experienced. Did you know that there's a part in your brain when stimulized with electrodes , induces religious visions and experiences? That part in your brain may be especially sensitive for you.
I 'm still searching for truth. Every new piece of evidence that may totally contradict what I feel I know , I will accept as an enrichment or even a replacement of my view of life. I don't see a creationist change his view. He's stuck in his dogmatic little prison.
quote:
You are as religious as I am, Max, you have faith in science. Nature is your god.
Well religious is not the word because that would mean that I would stick to any scientific theory nomatter what contradicting evidence may come up.
Let's say I'm as enthusiastic about science or Nature as you are about God.
Thx for replying Ekimklaw
Max Hillaert
Belgium
- In life nobody's right, the ones who are the most right are the ones who realize that-
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maxm007
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Message 13 of 34 (1300)
12-26-2001 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by TrueCreation
12-25-2001 10:20 PM


Hi TrueCreation
Happy Hollidays , BTW!
quote:
Its not that it denies the possibility of a God its that it practically destroys who God really is
Yes I understand what you are saying. It would make from god just some force that created the universe and we just sprouted out of it because of some freak favorable conditions.
All his teachings in the bible would be then man-made and it would make a lot of people wrongly feel really stupid about themselves and more importantly it would make themselves feel really alone. I say wrongly because even if it's manmade it doesn't mean that isn't good way of living your life and it doesn't mean we are alone in the universe (but that's another discussion
).
Nobody seemed to understand my sun-question; I might have translated it a bit wrong from dutch.
Ok second try: What I meant was that nobody makes a big deal about for example the theory of a blackhole . Nobody has definite proof that it exists because no one has seen one (or at least not closely enough to be sure it is one). Yet the calculations indicate that when a star with the right mass collapses some weird things happen to space and time. So in creationist line of thinking I'd call this theory worthless. We'd still be in the stone age we'd always think like that
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And just mabye when we realize that God is who he says he is and that he created the world in 6 litteral days and that he truelly did fearfully and wonderfully create us and every knee will bow and every tounge confess that he is lord of all.
Hehe , you know, I knew that one was coming
Bye!
Maxime Hillaert
-Religions are like laundry detergents, the more you diversify the bigger the turnover-

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