PROOF OF GOD

Then please provide a refutation of the explaining evidence of post 72 ?Post 72 and post 106 are a unit of one.A claim and a map.How is post 72 wrong ?I assume it is correct because the author is offering it as such.You have posted just maps.

Excuse me? How are multiple maps that show that particular claims you have made (Giza in center of Egypt AND at the border between Upper and Lower Egypt) are false not be evidence?I am not, at this time, refuting post 72 or post 106. I am refuting your claims listed parenthetically in the above paragraph.Please ensure that any replies you make to me at this time concern these particular claims and no others. I am not going to jump around your laundry list of claims while you get out of answering any particular refutations. Is this statement an admission that I am correct on these two claims?

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com

How can we determine if it is right or not if we don't know what it means?Here is my guess:
It means that the amount of land crossed by following the suggested meridian or parallel is longer for those than any other. It is also saying that BOTH of them are the longest. That's a surprise actually.I think this is what is claimed because of the way it is worded and because a quick measurements suggest that they are indeed pretty darn long and close to the longest.Is this what you are claiming?The equal area division of the land masses is, at visual inspection, on an equal area map -- wrong.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 06-21-2004 05:56 PM

Then why the haphazard construction on the outside?: If the Great Pyramid is a direct creation of God, I would think the outside would be a bit more smooth or orderly... Though I could see why humans would stack blocks in this way...Also, I hope you understand after looking at Asgara's linked maps, that it is a bit unbelievable that Giza is in the center of Egypt. Perhaps if you post your map showing this central location we would understand your point better.

is to show the development of pyramids over time and that there were quite a few that pre-dated the Great Pyramid.One of the first was the Step Pyramid. It was originally built as a Mastaba and expanded several times. Later it was converted to a pyramid and then extended once more to to form seen today. step PyramidSince these pyramids extend back into the 3rd. Dynasty, they predate the Great pyramid by nearly 100 years. BBC link to Hisory of Pyramids

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Asgara:I will not do to you as Jar does to me.I understand what you are now saying/asking/evidencing.Please give me two or three days to answer. I do not own the sources I need to reply with. A friend of mine has agreed to let me borrow them.Question:I COULD respond by quoting Dr. Scott and providing the link to his oral and visual teaching, which would, in essence, make you listen to hours of teaching IF you wanted to confirm what I say. I have not done this though BUT under Forum guidelines I could and I would be satisfying the requirement of evidence and source - yes or no ?Mind you I have not done this for the most part, but when a source is oral and visual like Dr. Scott then what am I to do ?This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-21-2004 08:56 PM

Your picture and subsequent question reveals the level of your knowledge concerning this Pyramid.That picture is how the Pyramid looks, for the most part, today.It did not always look that way.What is missing is the 144,000 brightly polished limestone blocks that were stripped off by Muslims to build their Mosques in and around the Middle East. (interesting number that I will get to later)This is known to be true, in part, because beneath the surface base, some of these blocks remain. Scientists, using these undisturbed concealed blocks, projected upward and calculated. In Abraham's day the Pyramid was a shining beacon that could be seen for many miles.

I don't understand what there is to discuss concerning this issue.You (or Scott, or whoever he gets his ideas from) made the claim that the Great Pyramid of Giza sat in the center of Egypt AND at the border of Upper and Lower Egypt.The maps I linked to show this claim to be false. (I have more maps if you desire them, I just picked the first ones I found that didn't look like a child did them )I don't know what you or Scott could say to prove that those maps are false. edited to change out of Admin modeThis message has been edited by Asgara, 06-21-2004 09:53 PM

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com

Looking at an equal area map (which I posted before) by eye ball says the equal division of the earth's area is wrong.To settle that we'd need to see the calculations.I did go through with map point and did a measure of the meridian though Giza. I also did a measurement through another meridian.I will supply the figures for you to check. They suggest that the longest land meridian claim is wrong as well as the area one and the center of Egypt one.Giza 31.21127 E This Meridian is through Gizafrom 31.058 N 31.21102 E East of Baltim Egypt
to 29.5149 S 31.21623 E south of Tongaat S Africa
distance 4220 milesfrom 36.2791 N 31.21811 E near Serib Turkey
to 41.043 N 31.2976 E Black sea south
distance 295 milesfrom 46.644 N 31.22 E top of black sea
to 69.721 N 31.2257 E top of russian
distance 1590 milesfrom 70.33 N 148.66W north coast of alakska
to 59.96 N 149.81 W south coast
distance 718
from 69.08 S 31.761 E across antartica
to 71.535 S 169.44 E
distance 2530
9353 TOTAL DISTANCEEast of Benghazi THIS MERIDIAN IS WEST OF THE GIZA ONE
from 32.9477 N 21.887 E near Benghazi
to 34.2705 S 21.893 E
distance 4640from 36.74 N 21.889 E metloni Greece
to 57.63 N 21.91 E Latvia
distance 1440from 60.35 N 21.888 finland Turku
to 63.25 N 22.0 E finland Vassa
distance 194from 65.42 N 21.79 E Lulea Sweden
to 70.3 N 21.89 E north Norway
distance 340from 70.69 N 159.12 W north coast of alaska
to 58.73 N 159.22 south slope of alaska
distance 8272530 antarctica9971
My method was to pick points with as near as I could get same longitude (or 180 degrees away) and use Mappoints distance between tool.I used the same figure for Antarctica cause I'm getting sleepy and it's roughtly round. It could account for the several hundred miles distance though so you should measure that or find the original sources measurements.As it stands now I've got the only measurements available and your source is wrong. The pyramids are on a meridian close to the longest land medridian but not the longest by some hundreds of miles.

Willow, from Message 101: "Every theory of the last million years has been dashed upon the rocks in favor of the latest."Is Willow claiming that some species other than humans can manufacture a theory?If only humans can develop theories, does this mean there were humans around a million years ago despite the "irrefutable evidence" that God created the world and all the species just 6000 years ago?And what was the first human theory way back 1,000,000 years ago ... "I think I can walk upright, therefore I can?"Did Willow get this idea from Dr. Gene, too? Wow! What, besides Guatemalan tobacco, is in the good doctor's cigars?

just to keep on track.So far...The Great Pyramid is NOT in the center of Egypt.It is not on a Border.It is not on the longest land meridians.There IS graffiti.The lat/long do not divide the Earths land mass equally.There are earlier examples showing a progression as design and construction problems were worked out.I think it is time to ask WILLOWTREE which claim to examine next.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jar:I wonder how Willow will receive the news that other biblical scholars are working on calculations to determine the geographic center of the Earth's largest conglomerated land mass: Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation ResearchI'm not going to include excerpts in this post, because the article is copyrighted; but the author's point seems to be to find the geographic center of Earth to prove that the Bible verses regarding the dispersion of human population originating (alternately) from Babel, Ararat, or Jerusalem are valid.Maybe Willow will provide Dr. Scott's proof that Noah's Ark landed on the apex of the Great Pyramid, which after all is a stylized model of the Egyptian creator gods' (yes plural) original earth mound emerging from the primordal waters.

Thanks for the insult.But, if presumably the only monument God decided to build on Earth himself, wouldn't he have protected it against Muslim mosque-builders? Either supernaturally or via impenetrable construction?Allowing the only monument made by His own hand to be stripped for building material for temples of an opposing religion? Now that's an insult...

No insult intended - but for what it is worth - sorry.

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But, if presumably the only monument God decided to build on Earth himself, wouldn't he have protected it against Muslim mosque-builders? Either supernaturally or via impenetrable construction?

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Allowing the only monument made by His own hand to be stripped for building material for temples of an opposing religion? Now that's an insult...

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Then to protect it in the fashion you imply would negate the reason to build it to begin with.It is an insult for Muslims to desecrate places and objects. The Temple Mount, which is the Holy Place and Holy of Holies contains a Mosque, and during the seige of Arafat's compound, Arabs thought nothing of desecrating the Altar at the Church of the Nativity, not to mention Joseph's tomb.The Jews are considered "God's people", why doesn't He protect them from Muslims ?This country is well known for christianity, which are children of God, why didn't He intervene and prevent 911 ?Your entire starting assumption and implication is insulting.The construction was impenetrable for thousands of years, as the first recorded breach came via hacking. (820 AD) A fourteenth century earth quake that destroyed Cairo loosened a few of the casing stones which began the stripping.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-22-2004 03:30 PM

My dad went nuts on the pyramids a while ago, and just to back up WT's claim it is commonly thought that the pyramid was smooth on the outside, but the blocks were stripped off later. As for what reason i dont know, i just remember that it did use to be smooth. Sorry if i havent offered up any backup texts, one that you could try is 5/5/2000 (book title), it reckoned that the world was gonna experience a huge disaster on this date, it was wrong on that count, but apparently a lot of the history is accurate. Just some crazy theories with it.Unseul

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