Partial Birth Abortion

some pictures on the internet that show abortions. You will, I hope, be horrified.

While every philosopy student should know such things, I'm not at all that is the case.No, we outlaw things to provide a framework for sanctioning after the fact.The difference is in the realm of provability. While it is relatively easy to prove that a bank robbery happened, how do you prove that in the honest opinion of the doctor and woman, a given procedure was not necessary?LAM, you may well disagree with me. I understand that. The thread though asks for opinions. I have done so. I have also, to the best of my limited abilities, given my reasoning. If you fiind fault with some points of my logic, please continue to ask me to clarify. I'm old and slow and often do not make myself understood. I will try to do better.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You've misunderstood me. The point of the thread is for you people to tear me to shred by responding to Message 1 and Message 20. We all know what the legal side of it is going to be like. I've been trying to get you to talk about the moral side of it.

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The Laminator

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But we don't want to tear you to shreds. And I, at least, have said that I cannot make a moral case except on an individual, incident by incident basis. And in those cases, I believe that we must leave the decision to those involved in that case.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Then give an example to why a fetus's brain should be sucked out right before completion of extraction rather than allowing it to be removed from the mother and be given proper medical attention? Again, I am talking about the difference between simply ending the pregnancy and actually actively causing the fetus to die directly even though the fetus is viable if given enough care.

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The Laminator

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Come on people! For once, I want the frog and other pro-choice liberals to tear me apart like I'm a chicken. If it helps, here is what I have to say about you people. You all are going straight to hell.

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I can't do it. I don't have the needed knowledge. That's why I say it must be left to the mother , the father and the doctors.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Probably because I had my God Sense removed. you know the old Mississippi John Hurt song "CHICKEN"?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Hello, Lam.
I'm an old (age 78) lurker here, and I have valued many of the insights you have shared..... I appreciate your compassion and concern on this issue; it does you credit.But, please look into this more. I am POSITIVE that PBA has never been performed on a whim!The most common causes of this , I believe, are inability of the foetus to live for many reasons.Defects that happen to infants are horrendous - organs outside the body; "no brain," no arms or legs or liver, and many more...I was a young woman when I learned about all this, to my horror. I worked as a sort of secretary at a huge and prestigious general hospital Department of Neuro Peds.
Passing through the maternity area one day, I saw one of the tiny cribs for the neWborns, with a sign, "DO NOT FEED."
I ran to my boss, horrified and disgusted, why such a barbaric practice!
The answer was No Brain.... the back half of the skull did not develop. This infant would likely live 5 or 6 months with normal feeding and care.
It was decided by a committee to terminate this pitiful being as soon as humanely as possible. ( A matter of only days of anguish for the parents; the foetus felt nothing, of course.)Back then, this sort of tragic condition could not be diagnosed before birth; nowadays, many such tragic conditions can be forestalled - and PBA is the way to avoid a lot of suffering and anguish in such cases.I hope you will investigate further, Lam. I am pretty sure that what you will learn will help you somewhat to be more at ease in your heart about this.
Best regards, Rosalie