Fresh Problem with the Ark

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All the water of the flood is salty to some extent (being a mixture of sea, lake, underground and rain water), and is filled with silt too (according to some versions anyway) -- NOT potable. The rain only falls (consistently) for 40 d/n's and the ark floats for another 600 plus days before landing.

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600 days floating? I can tell you, it was only a little over 1 year. Do I need to further embarass you on this matter, or will you simply close the thread? Sorry, when it comes to the flood, you are all wet.

So instead of saying how the water can remain potable "for little over a year" you focus on the number. Curious, but not unexpected.Tell you what: figure out exactly how many days the ark floated, then tell be how the water can be kept potable for that length of time.Enjoy.

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Tell you what: figure out exactly how many days the ark floated, then tell be how the water can be kept potable for that length of time.

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The flood time is given in the bible, and is somewhere around a year and a few weeks. I would think the water they drank may have come from the water they were floating on. How much water, by the way, would a creature, say, a bear drink during hibernation? I suspect very little, if indeed the animals were sort of 'shut down'?!
Anyhow, in a world full of wayer it seems to me that it was not as salty at least in places as today's seas. Say, for example in areas where the fountains of the deep were spouting, there may have been areas of more or less saltiness. After all, if God personally closed the ark door, would He not guide the boat to the best areas of good water, and perhaps less waves, etc?
Another factor comes to mind. How much water do you think covered the planet then? How deep? What if, for example there was water brought in from deep space? There is a lot going on out there, with some galaxies, I believe said to be extremely cold, others very hot. If some of that was added to the mix at flood time, and 'blown away' after it was ended, say by the 'great wind' -then how would we measure that? How salty was the water that spurted out of the earth? If God was the operational Head, and He made the whole universe, as well as the world, then He had a lot to work with!
After all, granny bacteria sure didn't help in that one!

now answer the question.salt, silt, disease from all the dead animals, pathogens from all the "effluent" from the ark, all floating around the ark.feel free to fill up a bath tub, climb in it and live there for a week using it for a toilet and your source of drinking water as an experiment to "test the waters" ....

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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pathogens from all the "effluent" from the ark, all floating around the ark.

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There were 8 people in the little floating barn to clean up, you know. Clean as a whistle, no doubt. Especially if God flicked the hibernation switch on His critters! One bird even now, the black swift, has young that, it is believed, go into a sort of hibernation state, because it's parents are in the air around 16 hours a day!
Tell you what, you can have some of the water in some of today's cities, that come from lakes and rivers where they dump sewage, and industrial waste! I'll take a world full of good water, sky high, that my ark was guided by God over any day! Did they boil it, or add something to it for safety? I don't know. God could have led them just right over the nice cleaner, fresher water areas, so I doubt it was needed, but He's not stupid, it was all worked out to perfection. Besides, it may not have rained the whole flood year all over the world, but ot very well may have rained in the location the ark was pretty well the whole time!!! How hard is it to rig up a system to pipe some down from several little openings near the top of the ark! This even makes more sense to me, actually. Worst case scenario, maybe they dropped a rope bucket down for some bath water, if the rain was light some particular day!

You want to bring in miracles, OK, but start your own topic in one of the faith forums for it. This thread is for discussion of science.

how many days
how much water
how much fire wood to boil the waterwhere do you have evidence for any "hibernation" scenario? especially for it being able to be induced in animals that do not normally hibernate .... like elephants ....where do you have evidence for any rain after the 40 days? ... I would think an "inerrant" record would not be guilty of the error of omission, but hey, that would be me.an unpowered boat floating for days on end in it's own sewage along with all the silt and mud stirred up and the necessarily salty content that would be enough to render it unpotable (even if it is not as salty as the current oceans are or have a mechanism to explain why the ocean is so salty now when the water that formed it was not).I think you are just trying to make it up as you go (again) ... perhaps you should read over all the other posts on this thread instead of repeating the same mistakes.(added by edit}and do try that bathtub experiment -- boild the water all you want to ...enjoy.This message has been edited by RAZD, 06-24-2004 02:52 PM

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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And, how would they know to boil the water anyway?That would have been a significant contribution to medical science. An interesting ommission, what with all the strictures against shellfish and so forth.

You said;
"If God was the operational head."
Well, that takes care of the sewage problem if the almighty is the head, eh.

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Reunite Gondwana!

I know you are coming up with all of this outlandish speculation in order to support a biblical story, but your comment -"He's not stupid, it was all worked out to perfection" struck me:Why did God use such a convoluted system to get rid of everyone and everything he was sick of? Why not just have them drop dead, or just disappear for that matter...Perhaps to torture everyone? That doesn't jive with my ideas of a loving God...The whole giant-boat with ten-of-thousands of animals, with water distiller and sewage system, plus magically migrating and hibernating animals, in order to survive a massive deluge, followed by massive plate tectonic shifts in order to return the land - it all seems far from "perfection" to me...

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You want to bring in miracles, OK, but start your own topic in one of the faith forums for it. This thread is for discussion of science.

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Many people study bears and hibernation. I think it's all really a miracle. Including the sun, moon, and stars. Does that mean I can't guess as to how far they are? The cup o soup creator miracle, though, I don't buy.
When you mention a worldwide flood, you are talking about nothing else in the world BUT a miracle! When you talk creation-same deal. If you mention the flood at all, you have to deal with the reason it came, and who dun it. Science is the study of things around us, and trying to understand-not merely godless conjecture to support some 'we all blew out of a pea sized hot little creator' pet theory.

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Why did God use such a convoluted system to get rid of everyone and everything he was sick of? Why not just have them drop dead, or just disappear for that matter...

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Perhaps the demo to the universe of how bad man can get if he rejects God was not complete. How would I know? I don't tell Him what to do?

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a massive deluge, followed by massive plate tectonic shifts in order to return the land - it all seems far from "perfection" to me...

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Lose the tectonic speculation and you may get closer to it. --far from perfecion? Of course, being seperated to such an extent from the creator, and suffering in a sinful, mortal body isn't perfect. He'll fix all that soon, and the demo will be over, with valuable lessons for all.

Man's always had a sewage problem. No one has ever had more room to dump it either!

Why not? Do you think cavemen built the boat?

Oh finally you explain yourself. Very few of us have any argument with you believing in miracles. You go right ahead. We didn't need to have this discussion at all then.However, there are those, unlike yourself, who claim to have scientific explanations for the flood and other things. They claim they are scientific and so should be taught in science class. Those folks we do have arguments with.You can have your belief in miracles all you want. That's your right to religous freedom. You do not, however, get to impose those on any science classes. They are not science as the courts in the US have specifically made clear.