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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
1.61803
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Message 31 of 794 (118258)
06-24-2004 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hangdawg13
06-24-2004 12:11 PM


Re: ...and then what?
I am assuming you are getting all this information from the Book of Revelations in the New Testament . This particular book almost did not make it into the cannon. The prophecies of John were more likely written to Gel the early Christians by scare tactics. At the time of it's writting the Jewish temples were being destroyed by Rome. Since its writting the Book of Revelations has been the source of many believers as the fate of mankind. And every single instance these would be dooms day prophets have been WRONG. As the turn of the millienum dooms day' ers have predicted the end.. nothing happened. Davide Koresh led his BELIEVERS to they're fiery deaths...Manson.....Dr. Miller in the 1800's . How arrogant is it that the Christians will be the only ones to be accepted into Heaven? How arrogant that Christians will be taken up in rapture?
Hangdawg13 writes:
We will sit backand watch as God will destroy the heavens and the earth by fire and create a new heaven and new earth.
What utter arrogance. *edit typo
This message has been edited by 1.61803, 06-24-2004 11:40 AM
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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Mespo
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Message 32 of 794 (118259)
06-24-2004 12:39 PM


Earth II
hangdawg writes:
We will sit back and watch as God will destroy the heavens and the earth by fire and create a new heaven and a new earth...
... and a new Adam and a new Eve and a new Garden and a new Serpent.
How about that! God created the Sequel!
(:raig

  
Hangdawg13
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Message 33 of 794 (118269)
06-24-2004 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by 1.61803
06-24-2004 12:38 PM


Re: ...and then what?
You will not get anywhere with me by trying to bash the Bible.
Sure, there will always be a great percentage of believers and people in any religion that inject their own subjectivity into their interpretations, or completely leave the original message all together in favor of their subjective opinions. There's a lot of goofy people out there that go nuts over the apocalypse.
How arrogant is it that the Christians will be the only ones to be accepted into Heaven? How arrogant that Christians will be taken up in rapture?
What's so arrogant about it? You can come too if you'd like to! It only takes some humility to quit fighting God and accept Him.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 34 of 794 (118283)
06-24-2004 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by almeyda
06-23-2004 11:34 PM


Anti Christ?
666
vicarius filii dei?
in latin, greek, and aramaic - count it out. There is no one else who fits that criteria.
he has been around for a long time
revelation calls him the 'whore that sits upon the nations' - denotes world-government-dominion to me - he calls himself god on earth - and so on, he wears the triple crown, he says he is God's rep on earth, blaspheming the Holy Spirit who IS God's rep on earth.
Try it, let me know your conclusions.

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1.61803
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Message 35 of 794 (118284)
06-24-2004 1:17 PM
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06-24-2004 1:00 PM


Re: ...and then what?
hangdawg13 writes:
You will get nowhere with me by trying to bash the Bible.
No I am merely telling you where the mythology came from.
hangdawg13 writes:
There are alot of goofy people out there that go nuts over the apocalypse.
Yes indeed, present company included.
hangdawg13 writes:
Whats so arrogant about it?
Well the premise that the only way to not be burned and suffer for all eternity is by being a Christian for one. If you were not born in a christian country in a christian family but say in India you would be condemed for being Hindu and well on your way to hell. So your salvation is dependant upon chance of being born in the right place. Any religion that claims to be the only way to grace and to be the only valid religion is full of shit in my opinion.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 36 of 794 (118286)
06-24-2004 1:24 PM
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06-24-2004 1:17 PM


Re: ...and then what?
Whenever you find a religion saying that it is the only way to GOD, you find a small people trying to limit GOD to something small enough for them to control.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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1.61803
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Message 37 of 794 (118299)
06-24-2004 1:45 PM
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06-24-2004 1:24 PM


Re: ...and then what?
I agree whole heartedly. God if he does indeed exist is not a racist. Unfortunate that many need to pigion hole him and lay claim that he does not hear the prayers of non christians.

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Message 38 of 794 (118316)
06-24-2004 2:33 PM
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06-24-2004 9:58 AM


Re: hal, pal?
quote:
If not then I suggest you learn to check the section at the bottom of each post which explicitly shows which message - if any - a post is a reply to
OK, sorry.

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Message 39 of 794 (118347)
06-24-2004 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Hangdawg13
06-24-2004 11:51 AM


Well I never said that there was anything wrong with an OBJECTIVE analysis of how scripture relates to modern events.
But let's face it there is very little of that around.
Of the main sources:
Daniel is about events in the 2nd Century BC.
The Olivet Discourse is almost certainly about events in the 1st Century AD (just maybe 2nd Century AD)
And Revelation is just so obscure and symbolic that the only things that seem to be used to try to "prove" that the end is near are daft ideas about the "Mark of the Beast" being UPC barcodes of RFID chips Neither of which match the description in Revelation. If you're going to do an objective comparison of scripture with modern events you need to actually know what the scripture says - but some people just don't bother.

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Message 40 of 794 (118394)
06-24-2004 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by PecosGeorge
06-24-2004 1:16 PM


Re: Anti Christ?
quote:
he has been around for a long time
revelation calls him the 'whore that sits upon the nations' - denotes world-government-dominion to me - he calls himself god on earth - and so on, he wears the triple crown, he says he is God's rep on earth, blaspheming the Holy Spirit who IS God's rep on earth.
Try it, let me know your conclusions.
Couldn't help it, but David Koresh (sp?) came to mind. Whore = many wives. Sits upon many nations = ancient tribal lands (Waco, Texas) belonging to several Native American nations. Three crowns = Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Claims to be God's rep. = Koresh thought he was the second coming of the Christ.
Like I said, you can get quite a few things to fit. I am not claiming that Koresh was the Anti-Christ, just that Revelations is so vague as to include quite a few options.

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sidelined
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Message 41 of 794 (118432)
06-24-2004 9:26 PM
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06-24-2004 3:40 AM


Re: an answer
arkathon
Do you care to put an upper bound on how many years before Jews start sacrificing animals and just what would constitute a sacrifice?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 42 of 794 (118461)
06-24-2004 11:04 PM
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06-24-2004 6:44 PM


Yes, my friend
you are on the right track, just off by an ocean. LOL
It needs to be on a larger scale. Koresh was news around the world for a season, but then drifted into oblivion with occasional reiterations. And also, the number of his name, does it add up to 666? Whereas his evil was very great, there is another who tops him by many millions. Koresh also did not sit upon the nations they way the real beast did/does. Are you a history buff? Do you know anything of church history? Get yourself that book 'Daniel and the Revelation' by Uriah Smith. Even if you don't believe a word in it, it will still take you someplace you have never been, deeper yet.

Cactus and Scrub
and yellow grass

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simple 
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Message 43 of 794 (118479)
06-24-2004 11:44 PM
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06-24-2004 9:26 PM


Re: an answer
quote:
Do you care to put an upper bound on how many years before Jews start sacrificing animals and just what would constitute a sacrifice?
I don't know when, suspect within a few years. 'constitute a sacrifice?'--killing the animals, as was done long ago.

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Message 44 of 794 (118496)
06-25-2004 12:09 AM
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06-24-2004 11:44 PM


Killing?
Since Jews kill animals now does that count?

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sidelined
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Message 45 of 794 (118503)
06-25-2004 12:17 AM
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06-24-2004 11:04 PM


Re: Yes, my friend
PecosGeorge
Koresh also did not sit upon the nations they way the real beast did/does.
What do you suppose that one person will be allowed the power to "sit upon nations" as you say? It simply could never happen given the inevitable lack of agreement between nations.
We cannot muster the will to feed our children world wide without dispute and you seriously think a single person could come in with the ability to convince nations that have never trusted one another to unite in one government overseeing all aspects of all nations business?

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