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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
PecosGeorge
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Message 61 of 466 (118659)
06-25-2004 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by NosyNed
06-25-2004 3:47 AM


There was a time
when the temple was very much mobile. When Israel traveled in the wilderness, the temple traveled along. It was an astonishing set-up.

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Buzsaw
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Message 62 of 466 (118660)
06-25-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by crashfrog
06-25-2004 10:11 AM


1) Sky Angel is the name of the service, not the satellite, according to the company (Dominion Video Satellite). Since the company doesn't have the capital to launch a satellite, they have a relationship with Echostar (DiSh Network) to transmit their signal.
Ok, after checking it appears you're correct. Nevertheless, the prophecy is significant in that the Greek word "ongelos" can either be translated as "angel" or "messenger" and a messenger flying in the midst of heaven, indeed this satelite is.

2) DiSH network does not "preach the gospel to all the nations", as the Echostar satellite only serves North America.

I checked and Sky Angel has a service called "Sky Angel Global Vision" where these satelite programs can be accessed via online programming world wide.

Also this:

Sky Angel Timeline
... under way to expand the service globally, with two satellites presently under ... Eventually,
Sky Angel plans to provide domestic US DBS service exclusively using ...
skyangel.com/About/ Timeline.asp?IdS=001418-58FD2C0&x=002%7C000%7C000&~= - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

@CONTACT - The future of Satellite Communications
... extend their technical support of the Dominion Sky Angel DBS Television ... Sciences Corporation,
Dominion plans to launch two of its own DBS satellites, "DVS-1 ...
www.download-now.net/mediacenter/dominion.htm - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

CF says:

Just a quibble, I guess. We're not quite as far along on this as you thought we were.

.....and quite a lot further than you thought we were.


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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 466 (118674)
06-25-2004 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by simple
06-25-2004 2:31 AM


Re: Killing?
Are you kidding? Have you never heard of the old Jewish animal sacrifices? There needs to be a temple, and all this religious rites that go with it.

1. There is actually no prophecy that states that the temple must be built before the end of the age, and before the return of Christ Jesus. Where many Christians get this notion is that the antichrist is prophesied to be seen sitting in the temple of god declaring himself to be god. Now there is presently a temple of a god, the god Allah located in the place of the old Jewish temple of the Hebrew/Christian god, Jehovah on Mt Zion, the Temple Mount, the Dome Of The Rock. My understanding of the prophecy concerning the antichrist is that this is that place of god alluded to in the scriptures here.

2. It is prophesied that there will be a great earthquake in Jerusalem leveling the city and of course the Dome. This earthquake will part the Mount of Olives in half, half to the North and half to the West. This is part of the global leveling earthquake prophesied in several places by the prophets and specifically in a couple of Revelation texts, including the last few verses of Revelation 16. The Temple Mount will, however be left and will become the highest mountain of the region and possibly the world from this as I understand the prophets. Isaiah for one prophesied this and I'll have to check for the reference in Isaiah. There will emerge from this earthquake a spring of "living water" flowing from Zion West to the great sea, I assume to be the Mediteranean.

Yah, I know it sounds like a fairy tale, but then so did the Exodus and the parting of the sea, but lo and behold, the chariots in the sea.


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Buzsaw
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Message 64 of 466 (118676)
06-25-2004 2:44 PM
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06-25-2004 2:40 PM


Re: Killing?
I forgot to say that I believe after Jesus returns he will build the temple to suit his desires and it will be far more wonderful and magnificent than anyone could hope to build today. Any animal sacrifices offered in that temple will be for commemoration purposes and not a remedy for sin since Jesus once and for all died for the sins of the whole world.

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Message 65 of 466 (118680)
06-25-2004 2:56 PM
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06-25-2004 10:24 AM


Re: This world
PG may be on to something. There have been sightings of Black Swiss Guard Helicopters.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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PecosGeorge
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Message 66 of 466 (118688)
06-25-2004 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Buzsaw
06-25-2004 2:44 PM


Please explain
the need for such a temple?

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simple 
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Message 67 of 466 (118708)
06-25-2004 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
06-25-2004 2:40 PM


tick tick tick
quote:
There is actually no prophecy that states that the temple must be built

The sacrifices were done at the temple. They will start again. The veil of al asqa was nor rent in two by God! It is given to some interpetation as to a third temple or not. It seems there probably will be. This is what is called the holy place.( Sorry as holy as the muslim place is to some, it just ain't what is talked about at all) Anyhow the precise event I mentioned was the sacrifices. After that, we look for him to break an agreement that was for seven years, and there's more after that as well to look for, to where we can get the time right down pretty exact.

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PaulK
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Message 68 of 466 (118713)
06-25-2004 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by fnord
06-25-2004 1:40 PM


Re: sign o' the times
It's even worse than that. As discussed on the "Prophecy for Buzsaw" thread the Olivet Discourse deals with events leading up to the destruction of the Herodian additions to the Temple* in 70 AD

As the title of the thread suggests Buzsaw was there and saw the arguments - and left pleading "lack of time". It's probably worth reading if you are interested in the subject.

Now so far as I know there was no satellite TV in the 1st - or 2nd - Century AD

*It is barely possible that some other buildings are referred to - but the whole city was levelled after the Bar Kochbar revolt in the 2nd Century anyway


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simple 
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Message 69 of 466 (118716)
06-25-2004 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
06-25-2004 2:40 PM


real macoy
quote:
Yah, I know it sounds like a fairy tale, but then so did the Exodus and the parting of the sea, but lo and behold, the chariots in the sea.

Sounds fine to me. Of course I don't much care what happens in that old area much. New Jerusalem, the real mcoy, 1500 miles high is our home we been waiting for. That's where our mansion is. This is the mountain of the Lord's house, Zion! Made of pure gold. This is where God will live on earth.

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PaulK
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Message 70 of 466 (118720)
06-25-2004 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
06-25-2004 2:40 PM


Re: Killing?
According to the interpretation of Daniel usually used by those who argue that the end is near, the AntiChrist will put an end to the daily sacrifices. That would be a little hard to do unless they restart. May we assume that you reject the idea that those refer to the AntiChrist ?

The relevant verses are Daniel 8:11-13, Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11


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PaulK
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Message 71 of 466 (118794)
06-25-2004 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by PecosGeorge
06-25-2004 1:53 PM


Re: Nebuchadnezzars 'Image'
The kingdoms that "Daniel" wrote about - the Successors to Alexander's Empire DON'T exist today. I you're unfussy enough about the term "kingdom" to have it apply today then there have been "weak kingdoms" and strong "kingdoms" form pretty mcuh the entire time there have been "kingdoms".

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PecosGeorge
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Message 72 of 466 (118801)
06-25-2004 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by PaulK
06-25-2004 6:56 PM


Those Kingdoms
or world empires did exist. From Nebuchad on down to Rome, successively weaker, no more world empire as understood in terms of those empires after Rome. After Rome, the feet of clay mixed with iron.
Greece was only one of them, the Medes and Persians were as well. Daniel lived during the first one. That represented by the golden head of the image of the dream of the king.
No other empires/kingdoms like those have existed or will again.
Have you read it in the book of Daniel? How did he know? Good guess?

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PaulK
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Message 73 of 466 (118804)
06-25-2004 7:13 PM
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06-25-2004 7:07 PM


Re: Those Kingdoms
Yes I have read the Book of Daniel. The "feet of iron mixed with clay" are the Hellenistic Kingdoms which dominated the Middle East before Rome - mainly the Seleucids ("King of the North") and the Ptolomies of Egypt ("King of the South"). And the writer of Daniel (those parts at least) knew because that was the time he was writing.

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Buzsaw
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Message 74 of 466 (118829)
06-25-2004 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by PaulK
06-25-2004 4:13 PM


Re: sign o' the times
As the title of the thread suggests Buzsaw was there and saw the arguments - and left pleading "lack of time". It's probably worth reading if you are interested in the subject.

Paul, how about the truth? Buz left finally after showing that all the things required in the Olivet Discourse to be fulfilled that have been fulfilled since Jesus spoke the prophecy were far more than could have been fulfilled in 70 years, including the dispersion of the Jews worldwide, the ocupation of the gentiles, many wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes in diverse places, sun and moon being darkened, the preaching of the gospel worldwide, the land becoming desolate, then renewing of the land and the Jews returning to reoccupy the land including the city of Jerusalem. The discourse itself came about as a result of questioning of some apostles concernng the latter days and when he would return.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of your coming and the end of the world? (age)

Buz simply doesn't have time to go on responding to petty yada like you people were resorting to rather than to concede that history attests to the fact that the Bible is indeed a supernatural and reliable book and that many prophecies of Jesus, the OT prophets and the desciples have been and are being fulfilled.


The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 75 of 466 (118851)
06-25-2004 8:14 PM
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06-25-2004 7:13 PM


Re: Those Kingdoms
Yes I have read the Book of Daniel. The "feet of iron mixed with clay" are the Hellenistic Kingdoms which dominated the Middle East before Rome - mainly the Seleucids ("King of the North") and the Ptolomies of Egypt ("King of the South"). And the writer of Daniel (those parts at least) knew because that was the time he was writing.

Nonsense! The text says that a stone representing what is describe as the messianic kingdom will strike the image at it's feet and the whole image will crumble to pieces with God's kingdom prevailing upon earth. The purpose of this prophecy is obviously to prophesy the future and ultimately the prevelance of God's much prophesied messianic kingdom which comes in the end of the age of the world order of things.


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