Fresh Problem with the Ark

No. But maybe they are better off in heaven now, than growing up to marry a monkey, or help kill all mankind, or sodomize children, or all kinds of wicked things for which He had to stop it. Sorry, the world was so bad it had to be wiped out. The animals were somehow affected enough by it they could not be spared. If you think of Him as the great spirit of Love, it may help. Understand it or not, that's what he is.

Are you reading your own comments? Don't you see the hypocrisy? Sounds more like regret and cowardice than love to me. Love would have meant finding another way.(Also, I didn't find anything in Genesis about God killing babies so that they wouldn't end up "growing up to marry a monkey," so I'm not sure where you came up with that...)

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Sounds more like regret and cowardice than love to me. Love would have meant finding another way.

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Cowardness and regret would not have led Him to let His Son die to save all men!
You make it sound like a quick death in the flood was really so bad! Man was saved as a result! The wickedness was set back a whole lot. Man will live forevermore now. Jesus healed, and loved, cast out demons, and did only good here. We'll have to disagree on this, I think He did everything only in love.

After you and your family and everyone you know suffer death by drowning, then you can talk about how "a quick death in the flood" wasn't "really so bad." Really, I thought only eight humans were saved, and the rest suffered death by drowning... (I know what you really meant by "saved" by the way.) Just think about it - if rather than killing off the planet, God had just decided to send down Jesus a bit early to die for humanity's sins, wickedness could have been set back without all of the death and destruction. No more can a logical connection be made between the flood story and 'Love' than between 'Love' and the Nazi Holocaust.If that's you're version of 'Love' I'd hate to see your version of hate...

show that it is possible to make an elephant hibernate. people study bears to see if it can by applied to any other animal. so far no luck.

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those same currents would keep the silt and debris and muck from all the dead animals and organic matter in constant turmoil as well so it would be like floating in a cess pool. sewage floats, so does the ark, whatever the currents did to the sewage it would do to the boat.sorry your still sitting in your own sewage in the bathtubthat rainwater is now full of bacteria that have grown in the moist collection system ...enjoy

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there is an easy solution to the school 'problem' for those that feel as you describe: home school or religious school.with my blessing.

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After you and your family and everyone you know suffer death by drowning, then you can talk about how "a quick death in the flood" wasn't "really so bad."

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Good point, because of the flood, and then Jesus coming, I could talk about how quick drowning was, because I have eternal life.

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Really, I thought only eight humans were saved, and the rest suffered death by drowning... (I know what you really meant by "saved" by the way.)

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The 8 had lots of babies, since they were now engaged in the type of sex God ordered. That's where we all come from.

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if rather than killing off the planet, God had just decided to send down Jesus a bit early to die for humanity's sins,

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Yes, maybe even right in the garden, woulda saved a lot of time! Hec, why did he even make evil? So we could chose! The demo took some time to really come to a head and clearly show man would wipe himself out without God, as well as stoop to hell.
Many want to leave school before the bell rings! Hey, why not just hand out the diplomas on day 1?! He has a plan, it is wonderful. There is a reason and purpose for everything, we just can't see it yet. Lots of folks would like to tell Him how it should be done. Too bad they don't have much of a clue, or ability to do so.

Yes, those who wish to ignore God, creation, and the bible, and the spiritual, and insist on straining at the knat of our pitiful little temporal physical world as the only thing that exists, and chosing to embrace a godless phantom cup o soup speck creator, can teach their kids this at home! Bring in granny bacteria for a substitute teacher if they'd like. Just don't push their religion, and baseless faith on God's children!

Arkathon, you seem to have some knowledge about the flood. Good, because I've been thinking about the flood logistics lately, and maybe you can help me with this: What did the predators that were on the Ark eat right after they were released? A lot of animals, mammals as well as birds, live solely on other animals. Noah wasn't there to feed them. But, for instance, a sparrowhawk could not have eaten a sparrow (or mouse, for that matter), for that animal would have become extinct. So how did they survive until there were more animals around?

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those same currents would keep the silt and debris and muck from all the dead animals and organic matter in constant turmoil as well so it would be like floating in a cess pool. sewage floats, so does the ark, whatever the currents did to the sewage it would do to the boat.

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Interesting speculation, as to how the currents worked. Good thing God oversaw the whole process, and told them when and where and how to do things! Remember, He even gave them the specs exactly to build the ark! Need a nice whirlpool flush? How about some nice warm water in places, where conditions were perfect for some crap eating bacteria, or mussels, or algea or some such? How about a cute little beday sized fountain of the deep? How about a floating island of plants, and tree debris to toss some out on? How about convienient cross currents, maybe throw in the odd undertow current to take some muck way down. How about some wind to blow some of the surface muck a nice distance away? How about God can handle it, relax?

arkathon,Makes you wonder why god bothered with a flood at all, doesn't it? I mean, he could achieve his ends without even clicking his fingers, why go to all that bother, not to mention causing all that suffering.Mark

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What did the predators that were on the Ark eat right after they were released? A lot of animals, mammals as well as birds, live solely on other animals. Noah wasn't there to feed them.

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I've heard that man may not have eaten meat before the flood. If this is a possibility, (though we need it now) how about some animals having a major diet change? A lot do live solely on meat (now) But then?
There was plant growth of course, remember the olive tree growing, and Noah didn't plant that one-he was still in the ark! Sounds like God may have had some on order somehow!
In heaven the lion willl eat straw like an ox, and nothing will hurt or destroy (no more meat!).
Some bears like to eat honey, ants, and termites, etc. Maybe there was a hec of a lot of nice meaty bugs to help adjust to a new world, and new diet? Maybe they had a lot of chickens who multiplied fast, and other fowl, after all they had a whole year to have chics in the ark! (maybe not all critters were hibernated) Maybe they ate a lot of fish! Hey, how about some seals, or marine dinosaurs? How about a few now beached whales? How about manna from the sky? How about feeding 5 thousand carnivores with one chicken, and a cup full of termites!

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Makes you wonder why god bothered with a flood at all, doesn't it? I mean, he could achieve his ends without even clicking his fingers, why go to all that bother, not to mention causing all that suffering.

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We have our part to play, you know! After all, who built the ark? Who had the babies to populate the earth? (dirty job but someone's gotta do it)

arkathon, Why was there a flood in the first place? Why couldn't he just click his fingers & make it OK? No need for an ark at all.Just seems a roundabout way to get from a to b for an omnipotent being.Mark

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