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arachnophilia
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Message 11 of 82 (119559)
06-28-2004 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
06-27-2004 1:46 AM


But from what you say...
Or have humans reached as far as evolution can take us?
it sounds like you may be misunderstanding some of the concepts of evolution.
badly phrased, perhaps, but i think you're missing a certain concept. a creature that fits its niche nearly perfectly can essentially cease to evolve. although genetic drift does occur of course, major changes are less advantagous than pre-existing adaptation. basically, it's like natural selection keeps the animal from really going anywhere until some kind of environmental change happens.
this is the reason we have things like the great white shark, which hasn't had any major change in about 65 million years, when it became drastically smaller.
humans are good creatures in that we fit our niche -- even through changes -- very well. we rely not on evolution to adapt us, but technology. we may have even overridden certain aspects of natural selection with the development of modern medicine and antibiotics. if we were to have an ice age, we'd cope quite well. not by evolving into a more neanderthal shape, but by making coats, heaters, etc.
have we stopped evolving? well, not really, because genetic drift and other mechanisms still happen. but i think it's a very real possibility that we've slowed it down, and even "devolved" in some respects by developing dependencies on certain technologies.

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arachnophilia
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Message 14 of 82 (119577)
06-28-2004 3:35 PM
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06-28-2004 3:18 PM


good points.
although anatomically modern humans did arise around ice-age times, i have no idea what would happen to civilization.
i guess i'll have to go pay the 8.25 to see "the day after tomorrow" (lol)

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arachnophilia
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Message 15 of 82 (119578)
06-28-2004 3:37 PM
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06-28-2004 3:07 PM


Re: a nit pick
The megalodon (your very large!) white shark went extinct only a couple of million years ago (maybe less)
i stand corrected. point retracted (insert some other "living fossil" in there)

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arachnophilia
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Message 18 of 82 (119902)
06-29-2004 9:06 AM
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06-28-2004 3:55 PM


we're also not nearly as sucessful as the dinosaurs, who were probably killed by a major environmental change.
you can really only expect to last so long, and then something will get you.

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arachnophilia
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Message 40 of 82 (124154)
07-13-2004 12:20 AM
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07-12-2004 10:47 PM


I don't dismiss the idea of "Made in His Image" based on ego. I base it on the visible evidence. We are so poorly made that it's silly to think we are made in the image of GOD.
theologically, i believe evolution is the process by which we are made into the image of god. i do not think we are there yet.
there's an interesting symbolic reading of genesis, which i doubt anyone here has heard which states that adam is the model for all man, and the days of creation are intended to represent periods of earth's history on some kind of logarithmic scale. in this symbolistic view, we'd still be in the morning of day six, being created. day seven would be the end of time, when god can rest.
not exactly a literal reading, as it of course doesn't fit with gen 3 on, but it's an interesting way to look at the story.

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