Age Correlations and an Old Earth

Basically it comes down to variations in C-14 in the atmosphere are caused by certain climate factors, and the rate taken up by living organisms fluctuates along with these variations.By measuring C-14 in accurately dated materials a correlation can be derived that can tell us what the past C-14 content was in the atmosphere at a given age. Because it is {atmospheric \ climatological} the variation would be world wide, and this can now be used to make C-14 dates more accurate.

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Here's another one that needs abit of attention

See first post on this topic

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We all know that Walt Browns liquefication/water lensing is a quite interesting theory/science explaining fossil sorting (settling within the liquefication suspended sediments water lens)as the fossils sorted upwards, you all should realize more than one varve can be laid down per year, like whats being seen formed via undercurrents, similar to Walts liquefication water lensing principles, etc... Like how can one be bound to only one annual varve per year, when you have studies like the Bear Lake varve demonstrating the linkages with sedimentation and hydroclimate that can vary overtime, and like how would not these under currents not be affecting varves in kettle lakes formed as the glaciers melted, contributing their silt/organics from the flood, as these glacier waters formed via the flood melted, etc...
http://cgrg.geog.uvic.ca/abstracts/LamoureuxAIn.htmlThe results from the Bear Lake varve record underscore the importance of process work for interpreting the hydroclimatic record contained in the sediments, and demonstrate that the linkages between sedimentation and hydroclimatic processes may change with time.P.S. We see examples like Lake Walensee, Switzerland, where they have proof that more than one annual varve can be laid down per year.
Page not found – Creation In The CrossfireI also heard a ww2 plane was found buried in the ice, and when they dug it out the snow varves didn't add up to them being annual varves, cause the annual varves would of placed the plane being buried before the war. I guess scientists will have to move a glacier to account for the extra varves, even though they have a lot of snow falls to easily account for the depth of the burial, its interesting that the plane was buried on a stable ice field (one thats not moving), etc...Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation ResearchOne last point, acquifiers are sediments that are not yet compressed into sedimentary rock, these acquifiers are the leftover evidences of the biblical flood liquefication water lens event, the problem were finding within municipalities that draw these acquifiers down, is that the macro space containing the waters compress and once the acquifier sediments are compressed the acquifier is unable to uncompressed via the rainwater recharge principle, more evidence that these sediments were laid down within the bibilical flood, via the principle of liquefication/water lensing, its like mineral water, not salt water, more evidence of the world flood, because these waters are like fossils, cause only a world flood could explain the fresh waters within the sediments, its not like salt water that bonds the colloids affecting sediment layerings over the oceans, more evidence supporting the fresh water lensing over the continents, varves, the freshwater water table, etc...You then have the rocks still rising up each year in the farmers fields, via the frost pressing them up. These rocks were sorted quite recently, supporting the biblical flood was the event that caused the glaciation that was a part of the sorting of these rocks, frost only goes approximately 3.5 ro 4 feet deep(the reason contractors lay foundations below the frost level so the frost doesn't lift your foundations), if these rocks were laid down millions of years ago, would they not of already all surfaced via the frost pressing them annually upwards to the earths surface.

We have been over this before whatever -- go back and read your previous lame posts on these topics. Sorry but points that have already been addressed are not new evidence. Raising them again without addressing the previous problems pointed out on them is dishonest.These pseudo-annual varves are well known by scientists and do NOT have the characteristics of true annual varves like Lake Suigetsu, further you have yet to explain how all the annual counting methods end up with the same dates. Likewise the airplane story has also been debunked. Only creatortionistas intentionally continue to misuse data like that.The only new thing I see is your incredible claim that "acquifiers are sediments that are not yet compressed into sedimentary rock" which is not true. There are many porous rock types that allow water to flow through them, sometimes making caves and sometimes not. Other aquifers are from Ice Age Moraines, not from sediment. Get a geology text, a real one. There are many types of aquifers. Once again: explain the correlations between the dating methods -- why are they all giving the same results? Real evidence does that.Enjoy.btw "proof that more than one annual varve can be laid down per year" is an oxymoron.

Raz, I think Walt agrees with you that in certain soil situations, he probably is in total agreement with you in respect to how caves are formed too, that basalt, granite rock wouldn't compress, he was bringing forth the question how were these aquifer that compressed filled with water in the first place, etc...Testing the Theories by Walt Brown website
Center for Scientific Creation – In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood to get to the Testing the Theories page just type aquifers on Walts google search engine.Many communities around the world get their water from deep, permeable, water-filled, sedimentary layers called aquifers. When water drains from an aquifer, the layer collapses, unable to support the overlying rock layers. A collapsed aquifer can never be replenished, so how were aquifers filled with water in the first place?I was just bringing up the controversy about snow varves not matching up with known burials, so the actual evidence in the natural is that you can not use snow varves in your correlations, though I know you disagree, and you have your reasons. I feel there are likely many problems that are not yet answered, like kettle lakes, its very shape, the shallows could be causing turbidities to rise just from a windy day, causing via Walts liquefication properties for many additional stratifications as the glaciers melted, and possibly in the present(need study pods to measure annual depositions for more evidences in the natural), like how Walt brought up how fish within some sediment layers are paper thin, liked they were pressed after these layers were laid down, before they decomposed, like the liquefication water lens press that he talks about, or in respect to kettle lakes like the bear lake study, glaciers melting potentially adding many additional layers, like do you find kettle lakes in warmer climates, it seems to me the bear lake study makes sense, in part, that your kettle lakes formed in areas that were glaciated by the biblical flood models, etc...

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We all know that Walt Browns liquefication/water lensing is a quite interesting theory/science explaining fossil sorting (settling within the liquefication suspended sediments water lens)as the fossils sorted upwards, you all should realize more than one varve can be laid down per year, like whats being seen formed via undercurrents, similar to Walts liquefication water lensing principles, etc...

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Actually, if Walt's liquefaction were a factor, there wouldn't be any varves...

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One last point, acquifiers ...

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"Acquifiers"????

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...are sediments that are not yet compressed into sedimentary rock, ...

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Where do you get this stuff? The Comedy Channel?

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...these acquifiers are the leftover evidences of the biblical flood liquefication water lens event, the problem were finding within municipalities that draw these acquifiers down, is that the macro space containing the waters compress and once the acquifier sediments are compressed the acquifier is unable to uncompressed via the rainwater recharge principle, more evidence that these sediments were laid down within the bibilical flood, via the principle of liquefication/water lensing, its like mineral water, not salt water, more evidence of the world flood, because these waters are like fossils, cause only a world flood could explain the fresh waters within the sediments, its not like salt water that bonds the colloids affecting sediment layerings over the oceans, more evidence supporting the fresh water lensing over the continents, varves, the freshwater water table, etc...

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Just a wild guess, but I think that you haven't a clue as to what you are tlaking about.

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You then have the rocks still rising up each year in the farmers fields, via the frost pressing them up. These rocks were sorted quite recently, supporting the biblical flood was the event that caused the glaciation that was a part of the sorting of these rocks, frost only goes approximately 3.5 ro 4 feet deep(the reason contractors lay foundations below the frost level so the frost doesn't lift your foundations), ...

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What if I lived in Panama? Would this mechanism still work?

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...if these rocks were laid down millions of years ago, would they not of already all surfaced via the frost pressing them annually upwards to the earths surface.

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Hopeless...I don't suppose it would occur to you that the soil formation process represents only the tiniest fraction of the time since the first deposition of the sediments...

Many were deposited under water. Fresh water can replace salt water in aquifers without them collapsing at all: some oil reservoirs in Wyoming have continuous fresh water supply from snowmelt on mountains many miles away. As long as human activity doesn't withdraw fluid so fast thar unconsolidated aquifers compact, they won't collapse anyway.Oh, correlations! How 'bout those pesky correlations people keep mentioning? Are you going to address the topic of this thread, whatever?This message has been edited by Coragyps, 07-06-2004 10:27 PM

Again, the plane thing is debunked: how many times do you need to be told? Different area, different levels of snow, it does not disprove annual layers, because those annual layers correlate (notice that word again) with known historical events and also correlate (and again) with events of ages from other sources (volcanic dust).Until you even attempt to address the correlations your comments are hopeless fantasy - with neither scientific nor literal bible foundation, but made up, unsupported fantasy.Now you may enjoy fantasy (it would certainly appear so), but it is not a basis for science.

Why not, (just need a little cold weather), if there are rocks in the soil, the frost will press them upward. I think Walts a bit of in agreement with you, his main emphasis on sediment layering was during the biblical deluge. I'm making this small leap of faith that in kettle lakes, with glaciers melting shortly after the flood, contributed multitudes of varves, before the annual layering continued to deposit additional varves, that you that you believe correlate with tree ring dating, seems to me that C14 dating would be diluted by the very waters saturating the organics in the deeper sediment layers within the kettle lakes your correlating against tree rings, because of the principles of solutes seeking to equalize, because C14 is soluable, would not the organics be slowly over time be releasing into the solute concentrations, because of capillary pressures, additional C-14 into the water solutes that your testing for in the organics (unless of course they are testing the water in the cores too), etc...

Coragyps, In fresh water aquifers that are collapsing, where did the salt water go, how can fresh water displace salt water, etc...

Actually you need freezing and thawing cycles as it is the expansion of water as ice that does the work. Stones below the frost level are not affected.This means that for this mechanism to accomplish any kind of "sorting" that the Lions must have won the Superbowl.heh.(ie - hell froze over ...) edited to fix quote box}}This message has been edited by RAZD, 07-07-2004 01:45 PM

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Why not, (just need a little cold weather), if there are rocks in the soil, the frost will press them upward.

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Need I note that the temperature in Panama never gets below freezing, at least in the lower elevations?

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because of the principles of solutes seeking to equalize, because C14 is soluable, would not the organics be slowly over time be releasing into the solute concentrations, because of capillary pressures, additional C-14 into the water solutes that your testing for in the organics (unless of course they are testing the water in the cores too), etc...

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C12 and C14 have the same solubility, so the ratio of C12/C14 would stay the same. Therefore, half of the carbon within an organic sample could dissolve and yet still show the same age because the ratio of C12/C14 has not changed.

Glaciers.
Rivers of ice.
Hidden at the bottom of a world-wide body of water that's laying down sediments.
Not floating, though.
Digging kettle lakes, instead, as soon as the Flud asswages.
Yeah.
Quit smoking that stuff, whatever.

I was told as a child that when the glaciers melted it caused fine solids to settle in these massive glacial lake beds. Like how do you feel these kettle lake formations formed, if not from the biblical waters that froze via the Hydroplate Theory. when one looks to the mid-ocean ridges locations and the locations of the glaciers, it should be apparent that the glaciers were a direct result of the the fountains of the deep erupting into the upper atmosphere mainly within the northern hemisphere, and returning as ice and snow (those quick frozen fossils they keep talking about)(Siberian fossils). In the southern hemisphere you would of had a laditudinally encircling of the earth by these mid-ocean ridges that would of prevented excessive glaciation, except on the fringes of the south pole, like the steamed waters prevented excess glaciation in the southern hemisphere, but in the northern hemisphere it could only of been a longitudanal eruption, so the upper atmosphere would of cooled the erupting waters glaciating the northern hemisphere, interestingly it also says the flood happened in the second month of the year kjv genesis 7:11, so it's saying that it would of been summer in the southern hemisphere, when these fountains of the deep erupted sediments and water upwards (hydroplate theory), etc...P.S. The reason given in the bible and the hydroplate theory is that the reason the oceans settled is because of all the water that erupted out from within the earth, etc...Its kind of like imploding a metal tank by creating a vacuum, likely explaining wrinkled features upon the earth, like the trenches, and the uprising basaltic mid-ocean ridges, etc... You have those hydrothermal springs still releasing waters on each side of the mid-ocean ridges, like evidence in the natural supporting there is still waters under the oceans mantle, supporting the tecktonic plates are moving on the hydraulic principles of Walt Browns hydroplate theory, as the earth still seeks equalibrium(plates floating outward a bit each year), etc... I suppose though this eqilibrium will happen as prophecied in the book of Revelations, where the islands will be no more, that the earth will shake as it has not shaken since man was upon the earth, and the mountains will be no more, kjv revelations 16:18-20. I suppose the trenches will be filled at this point in time, or some such thing too, cause if the mountains are no more, like where will they go, I never thought California was going to slip into the Ocean, but then again, it just might just be a part of prophecy, happening when the mountains are leveled, Hawaii and all the islands in the oceans are no more. Its kind of interesting the times we live, and how much of an increase in earthquakes, in our times, like are they not warning signs, placing the earthquakes in the divers places, etc... kjv Matthew 24:7 earthquakes in divers places, sure sounds like along the coastlines. Is not this what were seeing, earthquakes along the trenches, the coastlines, like it is quite interesting that the Word is in line with earthquakes in divers places, how does this not infer along the coastlines which interestingly jive with earthquakes happening in the natural along the trenches, the islands, the mid-ocean ridges, the ring of fire, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 07-07-2004 08:00 PM