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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If it is pre-flood, is it after everyone is egressed from the garden?
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Well, by "it" I guess you mean the cambrian layer. Since we don't exactly know the conditions then, I don't think we would try to pin things down too much. It likely would have been close to the time of Eden. This is why having the garden full of God's creation, including man would not show up in most of the world's fossils. It must have taken some time for man, after parting the garden, to really spread out in any numbers. By extension, animals etc. as well. How fast did the cambrian layer pile up, or form in the wonderful climate, and conditions in this world? Possibly a lot faster than it would today. Also, how long would it take most of these low life types to die? Could some of the creatures have lived on for many years? Why not? Just because they were shortened in life span, does not mean (unless you know something I don't yet-in which case we'll figure in real factors as required)that they all died in a day!!
Imagine the memorial in the rocks, and the sadness God may have felt, because man had let death into the world, resulting in an explosion of death to so many of His nice creatures!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, it's obvious it was after Eden. You'll certainly agree with that won't you?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
arkathon: this was a totally unsatisfying reply. you didn't address any of my important but keep rambling on about what you have
speculated you completely ignored my biblical evidence that people were not immortal inside the garden if eden.
Of course, afterwards, ahen they got kicked out of the garden, they spread out! But how far was Nod? yeah, that's nice and all, but where did cain's wife come from? not adam and eve.
the cambrian layer, depending on the conditions in the pre flood world may have been a deep buried layer! deep is right. the grand canyon is about 4500 ft deep, and goes down to the precambrian strata. at it's top, it's permian (just before the triassic). at it's lowest point in the grand canyon, the colorado river is 910 feet above sea level. stacking zion national park, wihc contains triassic and early jurassic rock, and bryce canyon, which contains jurassic through tertiary (almost modern) rock, that's about 9000 feet of sedimentary deposits. if the earth is 6000 years old, that's a foot and a half a year. i've lived in this house for 18 years. why am i not under 27 feet of sediment?
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simple  Inactive Member |
Why, must it have been, then, for sure, after Eden?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because there was life all over the world.
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Such as?
quote: It's all very nice to be able to make broad statements regarding the shortcomings of modern paleontology, but you're going to have to come up with something concrete to be taken seriously here.
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Life, yes. So did God make animals and all types of life everywhere on the planet? Or did He just spread perhaps the kind of life (low lifes) that would be useful in helping prepare the earth for man's (and animal's etc.) spread outward? We should be I think careful in blanket assumptions, like He made men, and all creatures by the billions, all over the earth in a New York minute! Is this what the evidence shows us? If it is, then can you tell us what kind of effect the split had that would have been so selective in fossilizing just the low lifes? I'm willing to rule out things if it is really not the truth, and not according to the records, which include the bible. Also, could you try not to take up 14 short posts to make a point? Spit it out, man!
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quote:I'm salivating for the time I deal with that one, but would prefer to try to keep it for now, not a bible debate, which I have little worry about. The question is, does not this death of cambrian creation life better fit the evidence than one of evolution? If not, why not? quote:No problem for me. But see above answer. quote:OK, and these sedimentary layers relate how to the cambrian life that died? Are you suggesting they all are part of the cambrian?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, since there is no evidence of any split it would be pretty silly to even speculate about that wouldn't it.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So what died during the Cambrian die offs?
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quote:Such as the cambrian fossils in question, and the old evolutionary attempt to explain them, as opposed to cambrian creation life explaining it better. quote:My attempt here to take a specific layer, I thought was a concrete attempt at trying to explain it better. I am not getting much in the way of a fight from you guys. Is it just because they stuck this here on the misc area, and not too many bright lights frequent it? Or because you are ill prepared for a challenge on this front?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I'm salivating for the time I deal with that one, but would prefer to try to keep it for now, not a bible debate, which I have little worry about. The question is, does not this death of cambrian creation life better fit the evidence than one of evolution? If not, why not? no, the question is essential for arguing your point of view. you ARE arguing the bible, in some fashion, because what else have you based this speculation on? my point is that it is not even an accurate rendition of what the bible says. and no, it doesn't fit creation better. you have to do these amazing mental gymnastics of "well maybe it killed off all of this type, without leaving any evidence that anything else existed at the same time." periodic extinctions are pretty common in the earth's history. they can't all be explained by the flood, and adding "death rays" isn't helping.
No problem for me. But see above answer. yes, it is. you said that there were no other people besides adam and eve, who were originally in eden. the bible mentions someone who was not.
OK, and these sedimentary layers relate how to the cambrian life that died? Are you suggesting they all are part of the cambrian? no, they're ON TOP of cambrian and precambrian rock. the simple amount of stuff on top of those layers suggests that, by your theory, we're accumulating one and a half feet of rock a year, which simply isn't so.
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quote:It suggests no such thing! What would how the earth was near the time of Eden, have to do with today's layer accumulation rates? Or the time of the flood? quote:Existed? I haven't heard any arguements about how life was concentrated in Eden, except for some types. So, till I can get past that, I don't need to go any further. If I do need to, I can go a hec of a lot further. quote:Dashing your pet bible ideas. as tempting as it is, is not my priority now.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
It suggests no such thing! What would how the earth was near the time of Eden, have to do with today's layer accumulation rates? Or the time of the flood? you're talking about cambrian rock. do you realize there's more than a mile of other rock on top of it in the geologic column?
Existed? I haven't heard any arguements about how life was concentrated in Eden, except for some types. So, till I can get past that, I don't need to go any further. If I do need to, I can go a hec of a lot further. so cambrian life existed all over, but more "advanced" life was localized? you're grasping at straws here.
Dashing your pet bible ideas. as tempting as it is, is not my priority now. no, seriously. my objection to your argument, which hinges on no one existing outside eden, has gone unanswered otherwise.
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