Ah, so we should ALL be living on cursed ground, of course. Now, if you claim that is equivalent to having illnesses, then that (1) is a major, unsubstantiated stretch, and directly contradicted by Jesus actually curing people (Guess you are claiming that part of the Bible to be a lie, then?). And (2) we should ALL be sick, which is not the claim. As such THAT line of reasoning ALSO is pure nonsense.
Infact, people DO all get sick - at one time or another. Not that I even suggested that we would all be sick in the first place. Hypocrits said to Christ "we are not sick" therefore, Christ said, "yet your sin remains".
If anything, Jesus curing people - proves my point. Which is that we brought sin upon ourselves. The curse is obviously the beginning, or the catalyst. Paving the way for satan's work. Christ cast out satan - you really ought to read a few sentences of the bible.
Therefore, disease is if anything, from satan, as I in no way said that the curse is the be all and end all to this situation.
So I will at most say that my "curse" comment was insufficient, but still relevant.
Really? So you insist that the Bible is literal in that, but not in other things? Amazing this picking and choosing what is right and what is wrong in the Bible. Presumably you have a system for determining this? Or is it the simple system of the Bible being right when agreeing with you, and wrong when it doesn't?
Well, who says I take it literally? Some things we are forced to take literally, and in other things we cannot be sure. But then, I never claimed that I pick and choose, therefore you're strawmanning is boring me.
And even if that is not the case, it also doesn't match reality, as human lifespan has doubled over the last century.
Yet Adam lived for nearly a thousand years. Oh, am I taking it literally. ROFLMAO
You ARE kidding, I hope? It very much IS the human body's frailty that causes our deaths, which if designed would be a sign of poor design.
Wow, is that your evidence for heart disease being the body's fault.
And also of inconsistent design, as some people NEVER get heart disease. Guess they never were cursed, then?
The ground being cursed paves the way for disease etc..It in no way has anything to do with any accuracy, unless satan is intending it.
That aside, certainly, poor functioning of the human body causes our early death, while sanitation and public health efforts have caused a substantial increase in life-span. So frankly, your argument is pure nonsense, ALL of it.
Ahahahaha.... 1000 years to under a hundred, is that an increase?
ROFLMAO
The fact is, that "design" isn't poor, as we are not meant to live forever on the earth. Diseases will kill the body, and thereafter can do no more harm. Even God said from dust you came, and unto dust shall you return. Yet I fail to see how you have shown any poor design, and if you can create a human from nothing, then I'm sure willing to watch the news whn it tells us of your design that is as good as Gods.
Warning; WE haven't even been able to make anything that comes close to a human in design.
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-22-2004 09:32 PM