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mike the wiz
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Message 27 of 82 (123766)
07-11-2004 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Steen
06-30-2004 1:18 AM


But if we are "well-designed," why do we all get so sick,
Aren't you forgetting the sicknesses you alone have had? And the sicknesses that your body alone has fended off?
I'd sure like to see my motorbike make itself a new tyre when it goes flat.
Also; we have to consider that we are a bit like a race-car. Made to "go the distance" as best we can. Did you know that a formula one car will run efficiently, but after a race, it wouldn't last a trip to the supermarket.
If God foresaw our downfall, then wouldn't he also foresee that we would only need our present natural bodies, for a "race-period".
I mean, I'd love to fill my bike with fuel and have it run for more than half a century, with it fending off problems for itself.
Now surely the heart's efficient aswell? How long does it pump without a service? My own one's pumped for a while.

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mike the wiz
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Message 31 of 82 (124110)
07-12-2004 8:35 PM
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07-12-2004 7:25 PM


And no doubt, you would love for your bike to have babies, sing lullabies and whatnot. Any particular reason why you push the dishonest comparison with an inanimate object here?
Because a motorbike is a design - so is a racecar. So then, those points prove my ones. Obviously MY premise is that we are designed. Can you consider that when ranting about your own worldview?
I see your red herring of diversion for what it truly is, an inability to justify human illness if we supposedly are designed by God as the ultimate biological entity.
Well, it's only your premise that we are the ultimate biological entity, and therefore, a strawman of my position, as if you had read properly you would see that I wrote that he foresaw our downfall. And therefore we are only made for a race period.
As for human illness, it is quite easily explained in Genesis that the ground would be "cursed". Also, Adam lived for nearly a thousand years, therefore that would also fit the degenerative picture.
Given that medical science has doubled our lifespan,
What??? Obviously you have never read Genesis. Now just what are your excuses for assuming that I would incorporate YOUR worldly mindset?
Given the rampant heart disease in modern society and the more rampant need for blood pressure medications,
Which is caused by what? Please don't tell me that you expect me to believe that it is the human body at fault here. So that's another none-answer to my brilliant post.
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mike the wiz
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Message 33 of 82 (124113)
07-12-2004 8:59 PM
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07-12-2004 8:53 PM


And thorns "began to grow".
Only a fool would think that we get ill, therefore illness is meant for us from God. Isn't it clear from the scriptures, that Christ cast out illness? Are you saying that God gives us illness Jar?
Are you saying that he made us to get ill? Tis simply a wrongful way of thinking is all. Nothing major.
Illness is what we have in a fallen world. This is all made clear in the scriptures.

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mike the wiz
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Message 35 of 82 (124122)
07-12-2004 10:15 PM
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07-12-2004 9:30 PM


He could have still designed us though - even if we did evolve. Because we are made in the image of God. If you think we are not, why did he come as a man, yet was before man?
Therefore, you would have him come as a dolphin Jar. And yes - you are a critter!

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mike the wiz
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Message 37 of 82 (124130)
07-12-2004 10:28 PM
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07-12-2004 10:22 PM


It may seem like nonsense to you Mr Jar, but it kinda makes sense actually. If you automatically think, "how egotistical" - then you have missed what I meant.
You see, if the Word was with God and was God, then couldn't we have been made IN God's image? That then cancels out the egotism aspect, because obviously we would not be the first to have this image.
If God walked in the garden, and Moses seen his backward parts, is not I am before men?
Do Angels suffer from bodily problems? Do you really limit God so easily?

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mike the wiz
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Message 43 of 82 (126787)
07-22-2004 10:26 PM
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07-22-2004 9:57 PM


Ah, so we should ALL be living on cursed ground, of course. Now, if you claim that is equivalent to having illnesses, then that (1) is a major, unsubstantiated stretch, and directly contradicted by Jesus actually curing people (Guess you are claiming that part of the Bible to be a lie, then?). And (2) we should ALL be sick, which is not the claim. As such THAT line of reasoning ALSO is pure nonsense.
Infact, people DO all get sick - at one time or another. Not that I even suggested that we would all be sick in the first place. Hypocrits said to Christ "we are not sick" therefore, Christ said, "yet your sin remains".
If anything, Jesus curing people - proves my point. Which is that we brought sin upon ourselves. The curse is obviously the beginning, or the catalyst. Paving the way for satan's work. Christ cast out satan - you really ought to read a few sentences of the bible.
Therefore, disease is if anything, from satan, as I in no way said that the curse is the be all and end all to this situation.
So I will at most say that my "curse" comment was insufficient, but still relevant.
Really? So you insist that the Bible is literal in that, but not in other things? Amazing this picking and choosing what is right and what is wrong in the Bible. Presumably you have a system for determining this? Or is it the simple system of the Bible being right when agreeing with you, and wrong when it doesn't?
Well, who says I take it literally? Some things we are forced to take literally, and in other things we cannot be sure. But then, I never claimed that I pick and choose, therefore you're strawmanning is boring me.
And even if that is not the case, it also doesn't match reality, as human lifespan has doubled over the last century.
Yet Adam lived for nearly a thousand years. Oh, am I taking it literally. ROFLMAO
You ARE kidding, I hope? It very much IS the human body's frailty that causes our deaths, which if designed would be a sign of poor design.
Wow, is that your evidence for heart disease being the body's fault.
And also of inconsistent design, as some people NEVER get heart disease. Guess they never were cursed, then?
The ground being cursed paves the way for disease etc..It in no way has anything to do with any accuracy, unless satan is intending it.
That aside, certainly, poor functioning of the human body causes our early death, while sanitation and public health efforts have caused a substantial increase in life-span. So frankly, your argument is pure nonsense, ALL of it.
Ahahahaha.... 1000 years to under a hundred, is that an increase?
ROFLMAO
The fact is, that "design" isn't poor, as we are not meant to live forever on the earth. Diseases will kill the body, and thereafter can do no more harm. Even God said from dust you came, and unto dust shall you return. Yet I fail to see how you have shown any poor design, and if you can create a human from nothing, then I'm sure willing to watch the news whn it tells us of your design that is as good as Gods.
Warning; WE haven't even been able to make anything that comes close to a human in design.
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