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Percy
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Message 91 of 108 (112156)
06-01-2004 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 5:05 PM


Lack of Response
I don't go on opinions...
Nosy just gave you some facts.
All we know is what we are given, and I desire more than that.
Before we give you "more than that," it would be helpful if you could respond to the information provided by Nosy thus far.
--Percy

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NosyNed
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Message 92 of 108 (112159)
06-01-2004 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by TheNewGuy03
06-01-2004 5:05 PM


Specifics
All we know is what we are given, and I desire more than that.
Why don't you start with what you are given? Then pick very, very specific items to see about digging deeper into.
I gave you a few specifics. What are your issues with them?
There are creationists who claim that decay rates can vary. The only cases they give are dishonest (though the rates do vary). I know something about that area. The cases given also don't explain the correlations.
The correlations between one dating method and another simply aren't explained.
If you think tests are thrown out simply to make things work then you are accusing many 1,000's of individuals of lying. It seems a bit of an incredible claim when you have no evidence for that.
There are of course cases where a date isn't accepted. There is a lot of research about when to accept and not accept a measurement.
Even then, if the dates didn't work and the measurements were random you'd have to throw out a majority of the measurements to get the corrolations obtained.
Have you read the thread on corrolations yet? If you don't understand that then you don't understand the depth of the issue which the so-called creation scientists simply don't handle.
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jar
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Message 93 of 108 (112161)
06-01-2004 5:34 PM
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06-01-2004 5:05 PM


Re: Lack of knowledge
TheNewGuy03 writes:
What I would like to know is the basis on which these dating methods are based.
Then perhaps you will come over to dates and dating and join in a discussion about how some dating methods work. You can find the thread at Message 1.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Mission for Truth
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Message 94 of 108 (124547)
07-14-2004 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by booboocruise
04-14-2003 5:42 AM


Reply to original post
You do know the man who invented the carbon-dating method actually won the Nobel Prize for the idea. They don't give these out like oscars and they certainly don't just assume that he's right, they test it first - god damnit!
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Loudmouth
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Message 95 of 108 (124549)
07-14-2004 6:35 PM
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07-14-2004 6:31 PM


Re: Reply to original post
Mission,
Just for your edification, booboocruise hasn't posted here since March. The post you replied to was from April of last year. IOW, don't expect a reply from the author of the post. However, you are completely right.

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Mission for Truth
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Message 96 of 108 (124561)
07-14-2004 8:17 PM
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07-14-2004 6:35 PM


Re: Reply to original post
I know. I was going to mention an apology for the tardiness but then I thought he probably won't reply (or see it) anyway. Nevertheless, I thought it would be interesting for others who may not know that tid bit.

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portmaster1000
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Message 97 of 108 (136407)
08-23-2004 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by crashfrog
05-09-2004 8:07 PM


Attempted Murder!
quote:
Oh. Well then, here you go then!
Damn Crash... You very nearly killed me. I couldn't stop laughing... I may have serious brain damage from lack of oxygen
Recovering from laughter induced NDE
PM1K

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JESUS freak
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Message 98 of 108 (153463)
10-27-2004 6:24 PM


carbon dating obsolete
All of your idiotic Darwinist debate is based around radioactive dating. I too believed the Earth was about 3 billion years old until they dicredited radioactive dating. It has been all hush up by your people and the liberal media, but we recently proved that light light radiation is slowing down. This means the speed of radiation does change, and all this points to a young (young being 10,000 years or so)earth.
Check out the results of the experiment at Is Light Slowing Down?: More Turmoil in Physics: – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House
Secondly, just for the record, don't you think it's even remotly funny that ALL of the fossils that have been called the missing link in evouloution have been found in the PRC (Peoples Republic of China for you dolts) where the goverment just happens to almost ban Christianity and says there is no GOD, along with the fact that there is a fake fossil manufacturing plant that just happens to be rumered to be really close to where these fossils have been found?
This message has been edited by JESUS freak, 11-04-2004 03:39 PM

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Coragyps
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Message 99 of 108 (153465)
10-27-2004 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by JESUS freak
10-27-2004 6:24 PM


Re: carbon dating obsolete
Hi, JF! Welcome to EvC!
All of your idiotic Darwinist debate is based around carbon dating.
Really! I never noticed that! As 14C is only good to about 50,000 years ago, and there are almost no fossils whatever that young, I'm a little surprised by that assertion.
You might want to look around the Dates and Dating forum here just a little before you post much more. I think you might find that Setterfield's views have been pretty seriously deflated already.

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Wounded King
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Message 100 of 108 (153466)
10-27-2004 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Coragyps
10-27-2004 6:55 PM


Re: carbon dating obsolete
Surely that post was a joke? Surely?!!
TTFN,
WK

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crashfrog
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Message 101 of 108 (153529)
10-27-2004 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by JESUS freak
10-27-2004 6:24 PM


It has been all hush up by your people and the liberal media, but we recently proved that light light radiation is slowing down.
See, the funny thing is, first-year physics majors measure the speed of light - in fact, you can do it yourself at home with a microwave and a bar of chocolate, no shit! - and they've never seen it "slowing down." It's the exact same speed that it always has been.
So, given that I've seen the evidence that the speed of light is the same as it's always been, why should I take your word about it "slowing down"?
This means the speed of radiation does change, and all this points to a young (young being 10,000 years or so)earth.
We have observations going back as far as 2 billion years that confirm that the speed of light, and the rates of radioactive decay, are the same. Sorry.
Secondly, just for the record, don't you think it's even remotly funny that ALL of the fossils that have been called the missing link in evouloution have been found in the PRC (Peoples Republic of China for you dolts)
It would be funny, if it were true.
Most hominid fossils are from Africa, although the more recent ones are from Europe. (I think. There are certainly plenty in both Africa and Europe.)

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jackal5096
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Message 102 of 108 (154162)
10-29-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by booboocruise
04-14-2003 5:42 AM


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Living Seals were carbon-dated as having died 1400 years ago! The shell of a living clam was carbon-dated as having died thousands of years ago!
It was actually a snail, not a clam. These are from reports of tests from the early 1960's to early 1970's, and were publicized by the infamous Kent Hovind. Since then, the reservoir effect was discovered. The reservoir effect is where old carbonate/bicarbonate salts are in a water supply, which have a diminished concentration of 14C due to their age, thus diluting the 14C ratio in the water body and, when that carbon works its way into the bodies of the creatures living in the water, gives a false, old age.
For example, the snails lived in what is called a limestone catchment, a lake fed by underground springs in which the ground water traveled through limestone (calcium carbonate ) formations. The carbonate in the limestone, being very old, no longer had any 14C. When the grounwater travels through the limestone beds, some of the calcium carbonate (with depleted 14C) dissolves into the water, and then into the lake. The carbonate is taken up by the snails, and used to make their shell material. Since the 14C concentration was diluted, radiometric dating of its shell gave a false, old age.
In the case of the seals, which lived around Antartica, a deep ocean current upwelling exists, where a current which has traveled deep along the ocean floor for thousands of years upwells back to the surface. The current contains the dissolved CO2 and carbonates from when the current first descended from the surface to the depths thousands of years ago. During the years on the sea floor, the C14 in the carbonate in the deep current decayed, so when the current upwelled, the 14C concentration in the bicarbonate was again depleted. This bicarbonate was taken up by plankton, and then worked its way up the food chain, ultimately to the seals. The carbonate in their bodily tissues, having a depleted 14C conc., gave an artificially old age.
More information on the reservoir effect is here:
Corrections to radiocarbon dates.

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happy_atheist
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Message 103 of 108 (154837)
11-01-2004 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by JESUS freak
10-27-2004 6:24 PM


Re: carbon dating obsolete
JESUS freak writes:
Secondly, just for the record, don't you think it's even remotly funny that ALL of the fossils that have been called the missing link in evouloution have been found in the PRC (Peoples Republic of China for you dolts) where the goverment just happens to almost ban Christianity and says there is no GOD, along with the fact that there is a fake fossil manufacturing plant that just happens to be rumered to be really close to where these fossils have been found?
I know we'll probably never see this person post again, but I would love to see this claim backed up. If you ever read this JESUS freak, feel free to start a new thread and show the evidence that fossil hominids are faked by evil commie chinamen
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JESUS freak
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Message 104 of 108 (155232)
11-02-2004 2:27 PM
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11-01-2004 10:42 AM


Re: carbon dating obsolete
Other "missing links" have been proved false. I can't prove that the ones found in China are false, but ain't it funny that no other real links have been found anywhere else?

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JESUS freak
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Message 105 of 108 (155233)
11-02-2004 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by crashfrog
10-27-2004 9:33 PM


yes africa for finding humanoids, no for "missing links"

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