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PecosGeorge
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Message 16 of 27 (122830)
07-07-2004 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Loudmouth
07-07-2004 2:30 PM


Re: Arbitrary?
Gosh that flood comes in handy, doesn't it?
You are not describing an arbitrary God here, but one of judgment. Clearly, he is that after he has weighed things in the balances and found them wanting. As in 'mene, mene, tekel, upharsin', that sort of judging.
Arbitrary is not the same as judging, nor are his judgments arbitrary but convey extreme application ....... and so around.
As for dying in a certain manner.....death is not the natural intent of creation. It is a natural by-product of error.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 17 of 27 (122831)
07-07-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by bob_gray
07-07-2004 9:26 PM


I'm subject
to the same questions, hurts, wonderings, and even tho I understand how sin has blighted mankind, I still engage in screaming matches with God......I sure would like ..... a little more love in this world.

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bob_gray
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Message 18 of 27 (122834)
07-07-2004 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by PecosGeorge
07-07-2004 10:25 PM


Re: I'm subject
quote:
I sure would like ..... a little more love in this world.
I think we can all agree on that one.

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Coragyps
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Message 19 of 27 (122835)
07-07-2004 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by PecosGeorge
07-07-2004 10:20 PM


Re: Arbitrary?
death is not the natural intent of creation.
Then reproduction can't be either. Or eating, for that matter, unless you eat rocks. Sparrows eat seeds, depriving them of life. Sparrows breed - four or five babies in a clutch. Try ten years of that from the "created pair of the Sparrow Kind," and you'll have the little buggers out to the Moon's orbit if none of them die.

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Amlodhi
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Message 20 of 27 (122845)
07-08-2004 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by PecosGeorge
07-07-2004 2:16 PM


Re: So Fred
You seem to be all over the map here PecosGeorge.
If, then, you understand now that we're not talking about Fred's promiscuous forays to the bordello, but rather those seemingly innocuous details that sometimes determine our fate, which is your final answer?
1. All God's children are exactly where he wants them to be.
or (your response to bob_gray98 post #15):
2. I'm subject to the same questions, hurts, wonderings . . . (i.e., you have no idea whether seemingly chance circumstances places any of God's children where he wants them to be or not).
I look forward to your response,
Amlodhi

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PecosGeorge
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Message 21 of 27 (122964)
07-08-2004 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Coragyps
07-07-2004 11:24 PM


Death is
not the natural intent of creation, it is natural to error. On the day you eat of this fruit, you will die.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 22 of 27 (122967)
07-08-2004 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Amlodhi
07-08-2004 12:09 AM


We choose
where we go and what we do. Sometimes I wish God would apply a physical restraint, a greater deterrent than 'NO'.

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Coragyps
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Message 23 of 27 (122975)
07-08-2004 11:36 AM
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07-08-2004 11:27 AM


Re: Death is
On the day you eat of this fruit, you will die.
Yeah, like Adam did! Right? 600 years is just almost a day......

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contracycle
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Message 24 of 27 (122977)
07-08-2004 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by PecosGeorge
07-07-2004 2:16 PM


Re: So Fred
quote:
goes to a whorehouse and picks up a case of the clap....providence has placed him there?
Yep
quote:
Gloria jumps from an airplane and her chute don't open....providence has caused that?
Must have done. God looks after ALL the little details, you know.
quote:
All God's children are in his care and very much so in possession of the ability to make choices.
Like the choice to buy a band-aid? If thats true, then those people saved themselves - god did nothing.
quote:
All God's children are exactly where they have determined to be... and that includes being in two very high buildings. God is not a despot.
Well, clearly he is if he sent those 3000 people to die.

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Amlodhi
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Message 25 of 27 (122992)
07-08-2004 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by PecosGeorge
07-08-2004 11:32 AM


Re: We choose
quote:
Originally posted by PecosGeorge
We choose where we go and what we do.
But we don't get to choose the occurance or effects of external events acting upon us. The premise of the OP was:
quote:
Now when I am stuck in traffic, miss an elevator, turn back to answer a ringing telephone . all the little things that annoy me.
I think to myself, this is exactly where God wants me to be at this very moment.
Is God arbitrary?
Ed and Bob are both God's children. Both choose to work at Acme Widgets. Both choose to walk to work each morning.
However, one morning, Bob doesn't choose to be dragged into an alleyway, beaten senseless and robbed. Neither did Ed choose to be killed in the explosion that destroyed Acme Widgets early that same morning. You know, the explosion that Bob had chosen to attend but couldn't because he was busy being an unwilling participant in a mugging.
Thus, his children may be exactly where God wants them to be but, unfortunately, the statistical record indicates that His itinerary is as likely to get them killed or maimed as it is to spare them.
Odd, that sounds just like chaos theory.
Amlodhi

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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6872 days)
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From: Texas
Joined: 04-09-2004


Message 26 of 27 (123285)
07-09-2004 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Amlodhi
07-08-2004 12:22 PM


Re: We choose
Chaos is good. Life is much more interesting with a little chaos in it. Without the effects of sin, the question would be moot, which it is anyways, because that is what explains it or should explain it.
I need no response, thank you. This is going nowhere.

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Prince Lucianus
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Message 27 of 27 (125912)
07-20-2004 9:41 AM


Since the only evidence we have about gods personality are in both testaments, and they state favoritism as part of his personality, I guess that simply solves the matter.
Lucy

  
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