Joshua's Long Day

WellI for one would like to know how the even more devastating event as recorded here Now as near as my simple mind can see there is no time lapse indicated by the sentence so what we have is the physical equivalent of the Earth being immediately reversed in it orbit backwards 10 degrees.Miracle indeed. Competant astronomers be damned,who here seriously believes that the average bloke in the desert was brain dead enough not to observe this? Miracle my ass! BHPOBS is my opinion of it.

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as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Jos 10:14 There has never been a day like it before or since

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It doesn't mention a deceleration time, but for the sake of reconciling a long day scientifically it seemed appropriate! I doubt that anything on the earth would notice a gradual deceleration from 1000km/h over the space of hour, certainly not over 2-3 hours!

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You are right, that it doesn't mention a deceleration. Now, you apparently seek to impose something that was not in the Bible, thus stating that the Bible is false in its literal depiction.That is what started this whole discussion in the first place. We are really not interested in the interpretation, but rather in the actual text.The sun reaches zenith, and then the SUN stops. Now, we are already working on the assumption that the Earth is what must have stopped, not the sun, so you have already accepted that the Bible is NOT correct. Now, that is because you "know" that it really is the Earth that rotates around the sun. Funny enough, that very basic knowledge is equivalent to stating that the Bible is in error.Now, when the Bible says that the Sun stood still, is it accurate? Is it innerant?And, once we go beyond that outright ERROR of the Bible, we'll look at the attempted explanation. We do not hear about decelleration/acceleration. We do not hear of the mechanism that allows a stop of the Earth's crust through deceleration, while not also stopping the rotation of the more fluid core of molten material.. And if not, we do not hear of the massive disturbance this would cause both per vulcanic activity and wild and crazy nelectromagnetism. Not even a small thunderstorm is mentioned anywhere there, even though the Bible is not shy about the throwing around of lightning. Hmm.But still, the overarching, really HUMONGOUS error, an outright FALSEHOOD of the Bible is the claim of the SUN stopping its movement. Guess God didn't know that it was the Earth rotating around the sun and not the other way around? Did God have amnesia and forget how he created the universe? or could it truly be that the Bible is NOT accurate in all miniscule details and frankly should NOT be taken as a Science Textbook? (In which case, the creationist arguments are all shot to Hell, pun intended.)

Hey guys, just joined the forum, and i was reading this post.I quote from the Bible, Joshua 10:12b "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the valley of Aijalon." This is Joshua speaking to the Lord. At this point in history. The people of the earth did not know that the Earth revolved around the sun. They still believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. The Lord never said that He stopped the sun from moving, it simply states that Joshua asked the Lord to stop the sun form moving. Joshua did not know that the earth revolved around the sun. Therefore, The Bible is still true. It was simply misinterpreted.Thanks guys for listening to my input. Whoever had the idea of a creatiopnvs.Evolution forum had a good one. I like how we can openly discuss these topis. Thanks guys, talk to you later.

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This is a pretty bold statement.Could you explain to us how your explanation solves the following problems?(1) At the equator, the velocity of any one point is about a thousand miles per hour. How was it that Joshua didn't fly off into the sky in a parabolic motion?(2) Where the hell did all of the Earth's rotational momentum go? Where the hell did all the kinetic energy go?(3) How come not a single other culture ever recorded such an event? You'd think that a longer-than-24-hour-day would be noticed by everyone around the globe at the time. How come the Chinese never recorded any such event?

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Hey Darth Mal,Well ok, assuming God did stop the rotation of the earth as was your assumption in your questions involving inertia and joshua's "flight into the sky" then He obviously had the power to alter the laws of physics. If he could stop the movement of the earth initially, why would He not be able to stop its momentum? Thus God stopped the rotation of the earth and absorbed whatever residual momentum. Furthermore, to contradict your statement about no other cultures recording this event, it is simply false. The mesoamericans, and Incas all recorded an extremely long day, twice its normal length, in their religious records and believed it to be the wrath of one of their gods. The Egyptians recorded it as well and the Babylonians and Persians both have a record of a prolonged day as does Emperor Yeo of China all during the same time of Joshua's long day. Obviously these cultures shared no contact at the time, and they therefore discovered and documented this miraculous day on there own without the help of any other civilizations. If you would like references of these civilization's records, you can look them up. They are all over the internet, books, and other records that have been uncovered. If you would like, I can compile the data and post it. All this evidence leads to prove that Joshua's long day did occur and the Bible is stil not proven false.Thanks again for your post, I really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon.Sincerely,
Servant of God

Welcome servant. We all hope you enjoy your visits to EvCForum.I suggest you read over the forum guidelines before you continue.You will find it necessary to support any assertions you make, if someone asks for it.For example: Will probably elicit a request for your support for this assertion. If you have questions about the nature of such support feel free to ask. It is generally a good idea to ask a lot more questions than you make assertions unless the topic is one in which you are particularly expert. There is a smattering of real experts here.

I apologize for not includign my sources, I stated that if you wanterd them, then I could get them for you, so here they are:http://www.grmi.org/Richard_Riss/evidences/7longday.htmlIf you would like more references, then there are plenty. I would be more than happy to look them uop for you. Again, i apologize for not listing my source.Sincerely,
Servant of God

I'd like that a lot! Along, of course, with an explanation of how a long day could occur in all three of Peru, Israel, and China from one earth-stoppage event. And maybe, also, how the Incas knew about it if they didn't start their civilization until 2500 years later.Welcome aboard, Servant! But watch out!Added in edit: I just saw your last post. Velikovsky, I'm afraid, isn't widely regarded as much of an authority on science. The NASA/Professor Totten story has been debunked rather thoroughly, too - I'll look for a link.This message has been edited by Coragyps, 09-07-2004 07:00 PM

Generally I try to stay out of the actual debate. I was just warning you that others will be asking for such things.Now, in spite of not wanting to get directly involved I would like to point out to others one line from your source.

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In the ancient Chinese writings there is a legend of a long day. The Incas of Peru and the Aztecs of Mexico have a like record,

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I leave it as an exercise for the reader to discuss this point.I do suggest reading the source given

i feel rather like a boy who has just picked up a basketball among the NBA's finest. This really is not my area of expertise, but i just wanted to ask a few questions and pose a few ideas.First, the recurring theme of the ultra long day among various cultures, and even that they are around the same time period is very interesting.
Also, Those who look for errors will always find them (glass half empty), especially on a faith so stoicly founded on freedom of choice.
Next, Though it is true, and very logical about what many of you have said about the repercussions of the earth stopping its movement, it seems like if god can stop the earth, it isnt much more to maintain the forces of nature.
The very fact that the sun stopped on account of Joshua when joshua said so is testament to the fact that God is all knowing. It takes the sun's light about 8 hours to hit the earth, or something like that, so god must have stopped the earth before Joshua even new he was going to ask.
I still haven't read the text of the argument, and everything else, but this forum seemed very interesting, i just had to jump in.I am a christian, obviously , and so i believe the bible is pperfectly accurate.please let me know what you all are thinking (im sure you wont hesitate to give me a debate-beating )

not many questions eh?

First of all, i back sad2know on his statements.
Second of all, in response to coragyps, to answer your questions:1)Please read the links which i have provided for you. http://www.grmi.org/Richard_Riss/evidences/7longday.html The first paragraph clearly states that "according to which there was a long day (or night, or evening, depending upon the location)" This clearly states that some areas experienced a long night, or evening.2) The height, or zenith of the Incan nation was around 1438 A.D. yes, but the civilization itself began WAY before that. As stated in the link below http://www.millville.org/Workshops_f/Acker_Inca/incan.htm it states that "The ancestors of the Incans lived in Peru as early as 2000 BC." The Incan nation lived long before 1438 A.D.I hope this helps to give you a better understanding of when exactly the Incan nation existed. Thanks again for your posts, I really enjoy researching and replying to them. Quite frankly, I believe I have made my point that Joshua's long-day did occur with evidence listed in my above posts. Unless there are any further questions, I am going to move on to another topic, but thanks for the fun of the debating.Sincerely,
Servant of God

Sorry, SoG, but I didn't see your link before I posted.
I have another question, though: Gibeon and the valley of Aijalon are roughly ten miles apart, the former apparently west of the latter. So the moon was necessarily between new and about first quarter, if it and the sun both are to "stand over" two almost adjacent spots on earth - and this gives quite a bit of leeway in what is meant by "over." Now, with the sun well up in the sky, how much help was the less-than-quarter moon in lighting the battle at Aijalon? Wouldn't it stand to reason that this particular folktale was told by someone who thought that ten miles was a significant fraction of the diameter of the disk-shaped Earth?As to the NASA computer "proving" anything, here's a fundamentalist Christian debunking:
Have NASA computers really proven Joshua's long day? - ChristianAnswers.Net

I was not aware of Nasa counting the days, but as is stated in that very article: Have NASA computers really proven Joshua's long day? - ChristianAnswers.Net "There is so much good evidence for the truth of creation and the Bible that we don't need to resort to embellishments and urban myths."And in response to your other question: The moon would not supply a lot of light, but what difference does it make, the sun illuminated the entire sky. Its just like in the day time, you can sometimes see the moon, but it doesn't give off hardly any light because the sun has illuminated the entire area. I am sorry, but i cannot see exactly what you are trying to ask me, can you maybe reword it?Thanks, hope to hear from you soonSincerely,
Servant of God