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redwolf Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 185 From: alexandria va usa Joined: |
>Can we assume your continued silence means you have no answer?
Not really. I've basically said what I have to say about dinosaurs and gravity here. Whether or not YOU believe any of it is not something I lose a whole lot of sleep over; there are enough people who do. Ganging up on somebody at 20-1 odds and then collecting urls for assinine statements which the other guy didn't bother to answer simply does not amount to a winning position or anything like that.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
this is called the "declare victory and run away" syndrome.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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catapam Inactive Member |
Hi!
I’m not a native English speaker. Still, I can understand many English explanations like yours for example but I fail to understand redwolf explanations? They are too complex or they are pure sophism hardly to be understood even they were in my own language?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You understand things just fine.
You ask great questions and language is simply not the problem. Those of us who have English as our first language suffer the same handicap as you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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redwolf Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 185 From: alexandria va usa Joined: |
>Still, I can understand many English explanations like yours for example but I fail to understand redwolf explanations?
What specifically is it which is hard to understand?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
In the What drove bird evolution? thread, Redwolf posted this (message #59)
"Redwolf" writes: quote: All you're remembering is your own failure to deal with reality. Like I say, you can do your own google search on dinosaurs and gravity, and see the results. I caught every sort of grief for this one at first but, basically, everybody who's ever come along since then and done the numbers has come to the same basic conclusion, at least as far as large dinosaurs being possible in present gravity. I am no longer the only person on Earth claiming that sauropods would not be possible in present gravity. My own original papers on the topic are at: Dinosaurs Snapshots from the Japanese documentary on the topic are at: Japanese Office Workers Viewing Since it's off-topic for that thread, I'll reply in this one.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
All you're remembering is your own failure to deal with reality. No, I remember your failure to address any critism of the idea, and you're utter failure to demonstrate that is anything other than fantasy.
I caught every sort of grief for this one at first but, basically, everybody who's ever come along since then and done the numbers has come to the same basic conclusion, at least as far as large dinosaurs being possible in present gravity. Now that's just nonsense. The numbers don't come down on your side, at all. We've already shown that in this thread. As for everyone coming down on your side - hardly - again search this thread, or do a spot of googling.
I am no longer the only person on Earth claiming that sauropods would not be possible in present gravity. We never said you were. Trouble is, it doesn't make a difference if you're a lone crank of one of a little flock of cranks - you're still wrong.
My own original papers on the topic are at: Dinosaurs Snapshots from the Japanese documentary on the topic are at: Japanese Office Workers Viewing All of which we've already shredded in this thread. A shredding to which you've failed to present anything resembling a coherent rebuttal.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1503 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Bump....
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 750 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Just discovered this article and will probably never be back to debate more on it, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents.
I was reading through some of the theorizing done on the implications of changing ZPE. This would cause changes in orbital energies of electrons in quantum jumps, which would cause among other things a VERY slight change in mass. This could explain what scientists observe as "star quakes" and also explain how supernovas occured so recently after creation (in the creationist timescale) It might also cause worldwide earthquakes, encourage earth's magnetic pole shifts, and perhaps change the force of gravity enough on earth to allow such large animals to survive better in the past. I'm sure there will be many who wish to respond cynically to this; don't bother.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Bump for the bird discussion OT posts.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
here's a re-post of my off-topic post from bird evolution.
The crane is irrelevant because it is supported by cables anchored at a point substantially higher than the body of the crane itself, and no animal has a neck which is built like that. i'd like to add this picture, which is the aforementioned barosaurus/allosaurus display at the american museum of natural history.
i'd like to point out that not only does this dinosaur hold the current record for longest neck, but this particular skeleton also holds the record for tallest free-standing dinosaur skeleton. that's right, no cables.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Despite protestations at certain "creation science" museums to the contrary: they have a five-foot long "human femur" in scenic Crosbyton, Texas: from the link.
quote: a sculpture. i'm impressed!
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3927 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
all i have to say about this thread...
is "original thinker" the new word for idiodic, revisionist "scientist" along the lines of the "different time scale" yecs? *sigh* i could say something about ostriches not flying, but it's been said (see niche filling comment) i could also say something about the ridiculous idea that sauropods couldn't possibly have held themselves up and the obviousness of above mentioned free-standing skeleton. but why bother.
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redwolf Member (Idle past 5790 days) Posts: 185 From: alexandria va usa Joined: |
This is going to be an interesting year for books dealing with catastrophist topics. One which is available now and another shortly to be available:
Dinosaurs, Gravity,and Changing Scientific Paradigms by Theodore Holden Is it possible that a relatively simplistic finding from the realmof the weightlifting sports might have overthrown part or all of the theory of relativity? Could it be that Albert Einstein needed to be spending more time in the gym and less time conducting "thought experiments"? Is much of what we have called cosmology and physics for the last hundred years built upon a foundation of sand? Given Isaac Newton's and Albert Einstein's descriptions of gravity,one should not anticipate reading about the USAF and its major contractors such as Boeing conducting experiments in superconductor technology with the stated purpose of a local reduction in gravity, or having a standard sort of government acronym GRASP (Gravity Reduction and Advanced Space Propulsion) for such a project. Likewise, given the standard descriptions of gravity, there should be no way in which to believe that a large-scale change in gravity near the Earth's surface might have taken place within the last 10,000 years; nonethless, it is easy to demonstrate that it has. Topics covered include the question of a change in gravity havingbrought about the end of the large dinosaurs as well as the large ice-age animals which died out around 12,000 years ago by standard dating schemes, the actual antiquity of the dinosaur age, the nature of gravity itself, relativity, the theories of Ralph Sansbury dealing with gravity and light, the question of the role of static electrical phenomena in antique religious practices, and the question of human language prior to the flood described in the bible and in other antique literature. Available as POD (Print on Demand) paperback and as an ebook at: http://www.bearfabrique.org/books/books.html Snapshots from the recent Japanese documentary on the topic of gravity changes: Japanese Office Workers Viewing THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS, by David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill, is thefirst in a series of volumes presenting a convergence of ancient testimony, laboratory experiments, and space age discovery. The authors contend that electrical phenomena, associated with global catastrophe on Earth, have shaped the evolution of our solar system. But their tale is not set in geologically remote times. They claim that earthshaking events occurred so RECENTLY as to have profoundly affected the human species. The cross-cultural patterns of the great civilizations are a testament to events the theoretical sciences have yet to recognize. At the core of this reconstruction is the unique behavior of plasma, thenewly-discovered sea of charged particles through which all celestial bodies move. All bodies in space except for rocky planets, moons and other debris (meteorites, asteroids, comets), are constituted of plasma, they should interact according to the observed laws of plasma behavior. >From these discoveries, a new approach to the understanding of the physical universe is opening up. This approach, called plasma cosmology, is not entirely new -- its foundations span more than a hundred years of plasma research, including that of Nobel Laureate Hanns Alfvn. Plasma cosmology is the most persuasive challenge to popular theories inastronomy today, and the authors of THUNDERBOLTS see this new perspective as a bridge between the ancient and modern worlds. The authors claim that globally recurring symbols and pictographs of the sky are, in fact, intense electric discharges, scaled-up versions of phenomena seen in plasma laboratory experiments. On earth, human beings carved millions of unexplained pictures on stone, and the laboratory experiments make clear that these artists were copying spectacular electrical phenomena in the heavens. These discharges appeared as gigantic, metamorphosing formations in the sky ? the shape-shifting monsters, gods, goddesses, and heroes of the myth-making epoch. For more than three decades, Talbott and Thornhill have each been majorcontributors to the field of modern catastrophism. Talbott was publisher of Pense magazine's "Immanuel Velikovsky Reconsidered" series in the early seventies, provoking a surge of international interest in the Velikovsky question. He then offered his own reconstruction of the past in THE SATURN MYTH (Doubleday, 1980). His hypothesis was later depicted in the 90-minute documentary, "Remembering the End of the World." Thornhill has delivered numerous presentations on the "electricuniverse" at symposia and workshops in the United States and abroad. His CD, "The Electric Universe," was published in 1998, and his website at holoscience.com | The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE – A sound cosmology for the 21st century, with its challenge to mainstream science, continues to be popular. As their first volume is being completed, the authors intend to publisha series of full color monographs, representing material to be included in the first three volumes. Each monograph will be accompanied by a 30-minute DVD designed to give a broad overview of the subject. The Introduction and Chapter One of the first color monograph can beviewed at-- http://www.thunderbolts.info Both books involve a conception of the history of our planet which is too short to allow forany known version of a theory of evolution.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Let's please be clear, for any new-comers here...Redwolf IS Ted Holden.
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