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Jubela
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Message 196 of 207 (129343)
08-01-2004 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by nator
08-01-2004 9:36 AM


Re: sigh
The Qur`an clearly states that it is the perfect revelation of the will of Allah for the governance of all mankind. It clearly ordains absolute obedience to Allah and his Messenger.
What did Allah order them to do, and what did Muhammad exemplify for them?
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
That is Surah 9: ayat 29 of the Qur`an. It is refered to as the "Verse of the Sword". It is Allah's declaration of war on the world. Every Muslim is obligated to fight that war. Here is what Allah had to say to shirkers who did not want to participate in that war:
[48.16] Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.
Those are Allah's words! They are recorded in Surah 48: ayat 16 of the Qur`an, the chief canonical book of Islam, whose 8th., 9th., & 48th. Surahs are entirely dedicated and devoted to the sanctification I mandate of the "Lesser Jihad". This is a fatal fact which you can not overcome. Translations are available on the web. I have previously Linked to them. You can easily find them with a Google search. Most people are too lazy or disinterested; I am not. I am rubbing your snout in Allah's excrement. You don't like it; that's tough!!!
Muhammad's Sunnah: his example for all Muslims to emulate...
By the declaration of the second part of the Muslim shahada (witness), which is "ash-hadu anna Muhammad rasool Allah" (Muhammad is the messenger of Allah), a Muslim vows to accept Muhammad (pbuh) as his role model in life. If the Qur'an is the Word of God, the model life led by Muhammad is its practical expression. That means a Muslim has to actualize the commands and prohibitions of God given in the Qur'an by following in all the areas of life, Allah's Messenger, Muhammad (pbuh).... is found in the Hadith, the second canonical book of Islam. Like the Qur`an, it has been translated and is available on the web. Most are too lazy or indifferent to look into it. I am not. I find that it reinforces the orders issued by Allah. It exemplifies them for all Muslims to follow.
Islam is a continuing criminal enterprise founded for the emolument of its founder and his successors; the Caliphs & Kleptocrats. "Innocent Muslim" is the ultimate oxymoron; equivalent to "Innocent Mafiosa"!!
What did Allah do? He made Muhammad wealthy!! How did he do it? through conquest. That ahadith says it all!!! Here it is again, just in case your memory has failed:
Volume 3, Book 37, Number 495:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Whenever a dead man in debt was brought to Allah's Apostle he would ask, "Has he left anything to repay his debt?" If he was informed that he had left something to repay his debts, he would offer his funeral prayer, otherwise he would tell the Muslims to offer their friend's funeral prayer. When Allah made the Prophet wealthy through conquests, he said, "I am more rightful than other believers to be the guardian of the believers, so if a Muslim dies while in debt, I am responsible for the repayment of his debt, and whoever leaves wealth (after his death) it will belong to his heirs. "

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Jubela
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Message 197 of 207 (129344)
08-01-2004 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by nator
08-01-2004 9:40 AM


Re: yaro on the warpath
I suggest that you read the bible. Then read the Qur'an. Which one is rightly interpreted by those you describe??
The Holy Scriptures have been re-interpreted in the light of social change and Christ's teaching. The Qur'an can not be. Allah's revelation, as Muhammad recited it, is held to be perfect and immutable. Here is what Muhammad said about reform: Bukhari:V9B88N174 Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Far removed from mercy are those who change the religion of Islam after me!
Allah demands conquest. His Messenger practiced it; sending out 75 military expeditions in 10 years; leading 19 of them himself. His successors followed his example; they conquered much of Europe, Africa and Asia. Their modern disciples are at war on almost every continent. You can not see the conection. You are blind!!!

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Jubela
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Message 198 of 207 (129345)
08-01-2004 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by nator
08-01-2004 9:44 AM


Re: answer some questions and I'll do the same
Once again, I refer you to the Prophet of Doom Prophet of Doom - Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words
It contains an excellent side by side comparison of Mein Kampf & the Qur`an; the resemblance is shocking.
I have a large snot catcher and a long, full grey beard. I have no sympathy with, affinity for or affiliation with Adolph Hitler, National Socialism, International Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Feudalism, Fascism or Islam!!!
I said what I meant and I meant what I said, and the ultimate answer was implied. For those shallow minded fools with no understanding, I will make it clear: Had I been President at the time of the Abomination, the next day would have seen smouldering ash heaps where the state sponsors of Terrorism used to sit. The globe and map makers would have a big editing job to do!!!
You are Godblessed right I would Nuke them!!! Without hesitation; without remorse!!!

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Jubela
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Message 199 of 207 (129346)
08-01-2004 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by nator
08-01-2004 9:50 AM


Re: yaro on the warpath
One is practiced. The other is not. You can not discern the difference!!!! Yours is the epitomy of idiocy!!! In the modern day, it is common practice in Afghanistan for Islamic families to sell their daughters and for others unrelated to kidnap juvenile females from other families and sell them as sex slaves.
As I said before: "You too!" is not a defense against the practice of piracy.

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Jubela
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Message 200 of 207 (129350)
08-01-2004 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Morte
08-01-2004 1:55 PM


Re: No True Scottsman
I am now going to show you what Allah has in store for them (abstainers from Jihad); why they should immediately apostasize and convert to Christianity. You will not like it; I doubt that you will read it, but, God bless you; you asked for it!!!
http://wyllie.lib.virginia.edu:8086/perl/toccer-new?id=Ho...
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"8.15": O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.
"8.16": And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day -- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company -- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
8.20": O you who believe! obey Allah and His Apostle and do not turn back from Him while you hear.
"8.21": And be not like those who said, We hear, and they did not obey.
"8.22": Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.
"8.23": And if Allah had known any good in them He would have made them hear, and if He makes them hear they would turn back while they withdraw.
"8.24": O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Apostle when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.
"8.25": And fear an affliction which may not smite those of you in particular who are unjust; and know that Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
"8.26": And remember when you were few, deemed weak in the land, fearing lest people might carry you off by force, but He sheltered you and strengthened you with His aid and gave you of the good things that you may give thanks.
"8.27": O you who believe! be not unfaithful to Allah and the Apostle, nor be unfaithful to your trusts while you know.
"8.28": And know that your property and your children are a temptation, and that Allah is He with Whom there is a mighty reward.
"8.29": O you who believe! If you are careful of (your duty to) Allah, He will grant you a distinction and do away with your evils and forgive you; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.
"8.30": And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
"8.31": And when Our communications are recited to them, they say: We have heard indeed; if we pleased we could say the like of it; this is nothing but the stories of the ancients.
"8.32": And when they said: O Allah! if this is the truth from Thee, then rain upon us stones from heaven or inflict on us a painful punishment.
"8.36": Surely those who disbelieve spend their wealth to hinder (people) from the way of Allah; so they shall spend it, then it shall be to them an intense regret, then they shall be overcome; and those who disbelieve shall be driven together to hell.
"8.37": That Allah might separate the impure from the good, and put the impure, some of it upon the other, and pile it up together, then cast it into hell; these it is that are the losers.
"8.45": O you who believe! when you meet a party, then be firm, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.
"8.46": And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient.
"8.47": And be not like those who came forth from their homes in great exultation and to be seen of men, and (who) turn away from the way of Allah, and Allah comprehends what they do.
"8.48": And when the Shaitan made their works fair seeming to them, and said: No one can overcome you this day, and surely I am your protector: but when the two parties came in sight of each other he turned upon his heels, and said: Surely I am clear of you, surely I see what you do not see, surely I fear Allah; and Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
"8.49": When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts was disease said: Their religion has deceived them; and whoever trusts in Allah, then surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
"8.50": And had you seen when the angels will cause to die those who disbelieve, smiting their faces and their backs, and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning.
"8.51": This is for what your own hands have sent on before, and because Allah is not in the least unjust to the servants;
"9.38": O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.
"9.39": If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.
"9.40": If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
"9.41": Go forth light and heavy, and strive hard in Allah's way with your property and your persons; this is better for you, if you know.
"9.42": Had it been a near advantage and a short journey, they would certainly have followed you, but the tedious journey was too long for them; and they swear by Allah: If we had been able, we would certainly have gone forth with you; they cause their own souls to perish, and Allah knows that they are most surely
"9.43": Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave until those who spoke the truth had become manifest to you and you had known the liars?
"9.44": They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
"9.45": They only ask leave of you who do not believe in Allah and the latter day and their hearts are in doubt, so in their doubt do they waver.
"9.46": And if they had intended to go forth, they would certainly have provided equipment for it, but Allah did not like their going forth, so He withheld them, and it was said (to them): Hold back with those who hold back.
"9.47": Had they gone forth with you, they would not have added to you aught save corruption, and they would certainly have hurried about among you seeking (to sow) dissension among you, and among you there are those who hearken for their sake; and Allah knows the unjust.
"9.48": Certainly they sought (to sow) dissension before, and they meditated plots against you until the truth came, and Allah's commandment prevailed although they were averse (from it).
"9.49": And among them there is he who says: Allow me and do not try me. Surely into trial have they already tumbled down, and most surely hell encompasses the unbelievers.
"9.50": If good befalls you, it grieves them, and if hardship afflicts you, they say: Indeed we had taken care of our affair before; and they turn back and are glad.
"9.51": Say: Nothing will afflict us save what Allah has ordained for us; He is our Patron; and on Allah let the believers rely.
"9.52": Say: Do you await for us but one of two most excellent things? And we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait; we too will wait with you.
"9.53": Say: Spend willingly or unwillingly, it shall not be accepted from you; surely you are a transgressing people.
"9.54": And nothing hinders their spendings being accepted from them, except that they disbelieve in Allah and in His Apostle and they do not come to prayer but while they are sluggish, and they do not spend but while they are unwilling.
"9.55": Let not then their property and their children excite your admiration; Allah only wishes to chastise them with these in this world's life and (that) their souls may depart while they are unbelievers.
"9.56": And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you).
"9.57": If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste.
"9.58": And of them there are those who blame you with respect to the alms; so if they are given from it they are pleased, and if they are not given from it, lo! they are full of rage.
"9.59": And if they were content with what Allah and His Apostle gave them, and had said: Allah is sufficient for us; Allah will soon give us (more) out of His grace and His Apostle too; surely to Allah do we make our petition.
"9.60": Alms are only for the poor and the needy, and the officials (appointed) over them, and those whose hearts are made to incline (to truth) and the (ransoming of) captives and those in debts and in the way of Allah and the wayfarer; an ordinance from Allah; and Allah is knowing, Wise.
"9.61": And there are some of them who molest the Prophet and say: He is one who believes every thing that he hears; say: A hearer of good for you (who) believes in Allah and believes the faithful and a mercy for those of you who believe; and (as for) those who molest the Apostle of Allah, they shall have a painful punishment.
"9.62": They swear to you by Allah that they might please you and, Allah, as well as His Apostle, has a greater right that they should please Him, if they are believers.
"9.63": Do they not know that whoever acts in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, he shall surely have the fire of hell to abide in it? That is the grievous abasement.
"9.64": The hypocrites fear lest a chapter should be sent down to them telling them plainly of what is in their hearts. Say: Go on mocking, surely Allah will bring forth what you fear.
"9.65": And if you should question them, they would certainly say: We were only idly discoursing and sporting. Say: Was it at Allah and His communications and His Apostle that you mocked?
"9.66": Do not make excuses; you have denied indeed after you had believed; if We pardon a party of you, We will chastise (another) party because they are guilty.
"9.67": The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.
"9.68": Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.
"9.69": Like those before you; they were stronger than you in power and more abundant in wealth and children, so they enjoyed their portion; thus have you enjoyed your portion as those before you enjoyed their portion; and you entered into vain discourses like the vain discourses in which entered those before you. These are they whose works are null in this world and the hereafter, and these are they who are the losers.
"9.70": Has not the news of those before them come to them; of the people of Nuh and Ad and Samood, and the people of Ibrahim and the dwellers of Madyan and the overthrown cities; their apostles came to them with clear arguments; so it was not Allah Who should do them injustice, but they were unjust to themselves.
"9.71": And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
"9.72": Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.
"9.73": O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
"9.74": They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to effect, and they did not find fault except because Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His grace; therefore if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper.
"9.75": And there are those of them who made a covenant with Allah: If He give us out of His grace, we will certainly give alms and we will certainly be of the good.
"9.76": But when He gave them out of His grace, they became niggardly of it and they turned back and they withdrew.
"9.77": So He made hypocrisy to follow as a consequence into their hearts till the day when they shall meet Him because they failed to perform towards Allah what they had promised with Him and because they told lies.
"9.78": Do they not know that Allah knows their hidden thoughts and their secret counsels, and that Allah is the great Knower of the unseen things?
"9.79": They who taunt those of the faithful who give their alms freely, and those who give to the extent of their earnings and scoff at them; Allah will pay them back their scoffing, and they shall have a painful chastisement.
"9.80": Ask forgiveness for them or do not ask forgiveness for them; even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them; this is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle, and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.
"9.81": Those who were left behind were glad on account of their sitting behind Allah's Apostle and they were averse from striving in Allah's way with their property and their persons, and said: Do not go forth in the heat. Say: The fire of hell is much severe in heat. Would that they understood (it).
"9.82": Therefore they shall laugh little and weep much as a recompense for what they earned.
"9.83": Therefore if Allah brings you back to a party of them and then they ask your permission to go forth, say: By no means shall you ever go forth with me and by no means shall you fight an enemy with me; surely you chose to sit the first time, therefore sit (now) with those who remain behind.
"9.84": And never offer prayer for any one of them who dies and do not stand by his grave; surely they disbelieve in Allah and His Apostle and they shall die in transgression.
"9.85": And let not their property and their children excite your admiration; Allah only wishes to chastise them with these in this world and (that) their souls may depart while they are unbelievers
"9.86": And whenever a chapter is revealed, saying: Believe in Allah and strive hard along with His Apostle, those having ampleness of means ask permission of you and say: Leave us (behind), that we may be with those who sit.
"9.87": They preferred to be with those who remained behind, and a seal is set on their hearts so they do not understand.
"9.88": But the Apostle and those who believe with him strive hard with their property and their persons; and these it is who shall have the good things and these it is who shall be successful.
"9.89": Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; that is the great achievement.
"9.90": And the defaulters from among the dwellers of the desert came that permission may be given to them and they sat (at home) who lied to Allah and His Apostle; a painful chastisement shall afflict those of them who disbelieved.
"9.91": It shall be no crime in the weak, nor in the sick, nor in those who do not find what they should spend (to stay behind), so long as they are sincere to Allah and His Apostle; there is no way (to blame) against the doers of good; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful;
"9.92": Nor in those who when they came to you that you might carry them, you said: I cannot find that on which to carry you; they went back while their eyes overflowed with tears on account of grief for not finding that which they should spend.
"9.93": The way (to blame) is only against those who ask permission of you though they are rich; they have chosen to be with those who remained behind, and Allah has set a seal upon their hearts so they do not know.
"9.94": They will excuse themselves to you when you go back to them. Say: Urge no excuse, by no means will we believe you; indeed Allah has informed us of matters relating to you; and now Allah and His Apostle will see your doings, then you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.
"9.95": They will swear to you by Allah when you return to them so that you may turn aside from them; so do turn aside from them; surely they are unclean and their abode is hell; a recompense for what they earned.
"9.96": They will swear to you that you may be pleased with them; but if you are pleased with them, yet surely Allah is not pleased with the transgressing people.
"9.97": The dwellers of the desert are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the limits of what Allah has revealed to His Apostle; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
"9.98": And of the dwellers of the desert are those who take what they spend to be a fine, and they wait (the befalling of) calamities to you; on them (will be) the evil calamity; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
"9.99": And of the dwellers of the desert are those who believe in Allah and the latter day and take what they spend to be (means of) the nearness of Allah and the Apostle's prayers; surely it shall be means of nearness for them; Allah will make them enter into His mercy; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
"9.100": And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.
"9.101": And from among those who are round about you of the dwellers of the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them; We know them; We will chastise them twice then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement
"9.102": And others have confessed their faults, they have mingled a good deed and an evil one; may be Allah will turn to them (mercifully); surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
"9.103": Take alms out of their property, you would cleanse them and purify them thereby, and pray for them; surely your prayer is a relief to them; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
"9.104": Do they not know that Allah accepts repentance from His servants and takes the alms, and that Allah is the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful?
"9.105": And say: Work; so Allah will see your work and (so will) His Apostle and the believers; and you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.
"9.106": And others are made to await Allah's command, whether He chastise them or whether He turn to them (mercifully), and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

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Jubela
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Message 201 of 207 (129352)
08-01-2004 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by nator
08-01-2004 8:46 AM


Re: yaro on the warpath
Lies & deception are not converted to truth by repetition. Yours are no exception!

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RingoKid
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Message 202 of 207 (129383)
08-01-2004 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Jubela
08-01-2004 2:20 PM


Re: jubela
quote:
if made to my face, would likely result in physical injury to your body. It would certainly result in loud and voluminous execration such as you have never experienced
touching me would definintely be the last thing you ever did. Now be a good lad and hit the lights on the way out...
cheers tuff guy...BWAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA

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Message 203 of 207 (129384)
08-01-2004 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by RingoKid
08-01-2004 6:48 PM


Re: jubela
so we have racism and now posters making those sorts of comments to each other.
How many more posts does this thread need?
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-01-2004 05:50 PM

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nator
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Posts: 12961
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Message 204 of 207 (129386)
08-01-2004 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by PecosGeorge
08-01-2004 11:37 AM


Re: sigh
quote:
I don't engage in circular discussion.
This isn't circular discussion.
It's obvious that you are trying to trick me into thinking that you don't believe that people should be forced to be Christians, when I see on the TV and read in lots of places that that is exactly what you Christians want the US and the world to be--every single person a Christain.
Christianity is a missionary religion, don't lie and say that it isn't.
You christians are dangerous. The Bible advocates the killing of the babies and women and men of conquored nations, amnd the raping of woem captured in war, too. It even advocates slavery!
Since you Christians think that slavery is OK, and that you think that killing children and raping women, and everything else horrible like that, I think all Christians need to be eliminated because you are all very dangerous, and very sneaky.
I mean, look at all the women that were killed as witches in the US and in Europe. Your religion made all of Europe stagenate in the Dark Ages, and that's exactly where you ALL want to take us back to if you had your way.
I think you should all be killed as quickly and cheaply as possible.

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nator
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Message 205 of 207 (129389)
08-01-2004 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by PecosGeorge
08-01-2004 11:40 AM


Re: sigh
quote:
No, she is an apologist and you are changing the subject time and again.
Read the references, apply yourself to the subject.
But the Moslem woman who was giving blood at the Red Cross after the WTC bombings should be rounded up and forced to convert or be killed, right?
That's what jubela thinks we should do.
He doesn't distinguish between Moslems and terrorists who happen to be Moslem.
So we should give her the choice between conversion and death, don't you agree?

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nator
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Posts: 12961
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Message 206 of 207 (129390)
08-01-2004 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by PecosGeorge
08-01-2004 11:41 AM


Re: yaro on the warpath
quote:
proof that it is what god wants.
You have missed the point.
jubela mentioned a verse in the Koran regarding the value of women and children, presumably illustrating how barbaric and inhuman the Koranic instruction is.
I simply provided a similar couple of instructions from the Bible in order to illustrate that the Bible is not free of terrible treatment of women or children.

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Time out again. In fact, I don't believe I will reopen it until the majority of the participants can assure me that this thread will be civil.

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