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Author Topic:   'Bird-like' tracks 55 million years pre-birds in this week's Nature
Tranquility Base
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Message 1 of 14 (12815)
07-05-2002 3:11 AM


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list _uids=12087401&dopt=Abstract
quote:
"Here we describe well-preserved and abundant footprints with clearly avian characters"
This week's Nature has a paper on bird-like tracks 55 million years pre-birds. Clearly late Triassic.
The tracks fulfil 7 out of 7 primary fulfilments for bird tracks. They look like bird footprints and there are lots of them including track ways! No known Triassic organism could have left these tracks. The last line of the paper (from the hardcopy) of course states that there must be a non-bird which leaves tracks like this.
In the flood scenario we expect tracks at lower levels than fossils.
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Tranquility Base
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Message 6 of 14 (12996)
07-07-2002 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Joe Meert
07-05-2002 9:55 AM


Joe
Standard intros to fossils indicate that impressions are fossils of a type.
The cyclothems surges were just a stage of the flood as I 've stated many times!

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Message 7 of 14 (12997)
07-07-2002 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by mark24
07-05-2002 6:10 AM


Mark
These tracks fit 7 out of 7 criteria - these Triassic birds were . . . birds . . in one go. Just another sudden appearance.

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Tranquility Base
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Message 8 of 14 (12998)
07-07-2002 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by TrueCreation
07-05-2002 3:50 PM


TC
My only point was that we systematically expect tracks lower than skeletons due to escape from flood waters.

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Message 10 of 14 (13005)
07-07-2002 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by gene90
07-05-2002 9:44 AM


We predict almost no bones. However, we suspect that many 'folded in' or 'washed in' fossils are out of seqeunce fossils.

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Message 12 of 14 (13007)
07-08-2002 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Joe Meert
07-07-2002 11:48 PM


I think you know the answer Joe. Neither of the above!
I know you hate what we're doing. I feel the same about those people that pretend the lunar landings were faked. I know how you feel - OK. But I am convincd that the data is scientifically better explained by the flood. We are providing a scenario that is so different that it does mean that every piece of data can be looked at in two ways.

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Message 13 of 14 (13009)
07-08-2002 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Joe Meert
07-08-2002 12:02 AM


Joe
In context I meant 'we predict almost no bones before tracks'. Of course we predict lots of bones!

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