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Author Topic:   'Bird-like' tracks 55 million years pre-birds in this week's Nature
Joe Meert
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Message 4 of 14 (12820)
07-05-2002 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tranquility Base
07-05-2002 3:11 AM


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Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&l ist _uids=12087401&dopt=Abstract
This week's Nature has a paper on bird-like tracks 55 million years pre-birds. Clearly late Triassic.
The tracks fulfil 7 out of 7 primary fulfilments for bird tracks. They look like bird footprints and there are lots of them including track ways! No known Triassic organism could have left these tracks. The last line of the paper (from the hardcopy) of course states that there must be a non-bird which leaves tracks like this.
In the flood scenario we expect tracks at lower levels than fossils.
[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 07-05-2002]

JM: But these tracks are found at higher levels than the cyclothems which were supposed to form as the flood raged. Once again, TB shows his naivete on things geological. Your desperate attempts to fit everything into a single flood result in your blindness to all other explanations. You'd have done much better in the 1700's. By the way, are you now redefining a 'fossil'. What is your definition of a 'fossil'?
Cheers
Joe Meert
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Joe Meert
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From: Gainesville
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Message 9 of 14 (13000)
07-07-2002 11:48 PM
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07-07-2002 11:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Mark
These tracks fit 7 out of 7 criteria - these Triassic birds were . . . birds . . in one go. Just another sudden appearance.

JM: So, sudden creation or extinction? Of course, your conclusion is ludicrous to begin with.
Cheers
Joe Meert
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Joe Meert
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Posts: 913
From: Gainesville
Joined: 03-02-2002


Message 11 of 14 (13006)
07-08-2002 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Tranquility Base
07-07-2002 11:59 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
We predict almost no bones. However, we suspect that many 'folded in' or 'washed in' fossils are out of seqeunce fossils.
JM: This is false. Creationists have held forth 'the many fossils' as evidence of animals that died in the flood. Or do you mean actual 'bones'? We simply don't see all that many out of sequence fossils. In fact, in a chaotic global flood (where surges are localized), the global flood should produce very little, if any regularity! The regularity observed in the fossil record is exactly what caused the flood geologists of old to abandon the Sumerian epic.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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