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CK
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Message 151 of 165 (130256)
08-04-2004 7:18 AM
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08-04-2004 7:17 AM


Re: BILLOWS TOPPED BY BILLOWS!
I'm sorry but I have no idea what it is on about - the english is so poor that it is unreadable.

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Message 152 of 165 (130257)
08-04-2004 7:20 AM
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08-04-2004 7:03 AM


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CK
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Message 153 of 165 (130258)
08-04-2004 7:24 AM
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08-04-2004 7:20 AM


second try
OK I have had a second look - it seems to be suggesting that Billows (large waves) may be seen in conjunction with other billows?
Are there any predictions in the Koran about Bears shitting in woods? Or Popes' being catholic?

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Message 154 of 165 (130259)
08-04-2004 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by CK
08-04-2004 7:16 AM


Re: Matter and the mate of matter
read 148 now .it is paragraphed.

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CK
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Message 155 of 165 (130260)
08-04-2004 7:43 AM
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08-04-2004 7:31 AM


Re: Matter and the mate of matter
thanks - it still makes no sense to me.
Maybe someone will be able to understand what it is on about.

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dandon83
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Message 156 of 165 (130261)
08-04-2004 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by CK
08-04-2004 7:24 AM


insisrter !!!!
Your are a big insister. not only to close your eyes , but also to close the others' eyes. why are you wagging between the words . if you are right face them do not wag!!
bears shitting in wood!!! pops' being catholic!!.
It is absolutly right that ( ).

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Message 157 of 165 (130262)
08-04-2004 7:48 AM
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08-04-2004 7:18 AM


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CK
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Message 158 of 165 (130263)
08-04-2004 7:51 AM
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08-04-2004 7:44 AM


Re: insisrter !!!!
I have even less idea what that is all about.
Look - I'm not saying that this is not true but I cannot under what they are trying to say.
Let's wait and see what some of the others have to say.

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dandon83
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Message 159 of 165 (130264)
08-04-2004 7:51 AM
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08-04-2004 7:24 AM


are you sure .you are reading!!
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it seems to be suggesting that Billows (large waves) may be seen in CONJUNCTION with other billows?
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WHERE DID YOU READ THAT?

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CK
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Message 160 of 165 (130265)
08-04-2004 7:53 AM
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08-04-2004 7:51 AM


Re: are you sure .you are reading!!
well that's my understanding of what that first one is alluding to.

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sidelined
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Message 161 of 165 (130267)
08-04-2004 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by dandon83
08-04-2004 6:49 AM


Re: BILLOWS TOPPED BY BILLOWS!
dandon83
What are billows? And why are you giving this reply to my post which is as follows?
dandon83
1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4 Master of the Day of Judgment,
5 Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.
6 Show us the straight path,
7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.
Why would he avoid telling us in the first person? No that is less likely than it being the work of men writing to an audience.You will have to do better than that.
Just who the hell were you meaning to respond to old man?

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Message 162 of 165 (130273)
08-04-2004 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by CK
08-04-2004 7:53 AM


Re: are you sure .you are reading!!
You'll have to read it all the way through to get to the point. I'll sum it up for you.
- Scientists of today has found that something about the way oceans work mean that they can be described as two layers (one top, one bottom).
- Where these two layers meet, deep into the ocean, there are a lot of turbulence and waves (or billows). This explains certain optical phenomena.
- People living thousands of years ago couldn't possibly find this out because there weren't that many deep sea submarines around back then.
- The Koran says something (Waves on top of waves) which can be interpreted as describing this phenomena, and since the knowledge couldn't have come from man, it must come from Allah.

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jar
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Message 163 of 165 (130300)
08-04-2004 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by dandon83
08-04-2004 6:49 AM


Re: BILLOWS TOPPED BY BILLOWS!
Here is a slightly different english translation.
[24.40] Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.
I'm sorry, but there is no revealed secrets ther. That's simply an allegory related to faith.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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pink sasquatch
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Message 164 of 165 (130504)
08-04-2004 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by dandon83
08-04-2004 7:12 AM


Re: Matter and the mate of matter
And Allah says... This shows that humans and most kinds of animals and plants were created in male and female. This is what the Quran tells us and Biology teacher.
Dandon - this actually suggests that the Quran was written by humans who did not know that most species on the planet reproduce asexually (without male/female). Since those species are microscopic, a human writer would not take them into account, but a God would surely know of them. The implication of the passage you give is that the only life that is mentioned is that which can be seen by humans.
Imagine if the Quran had said something like, "most types of life cannot be seen with the naked eye, these reproduce without male and female and vastly outnumber those kinds of life that can be seen."
Now that would be some evidence for your side - something humans didn't know at the time of the Quran's writing, and specific enough to not be discounted as poetic or symbolic writing that is falsely being interpreted as scientific in nature.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 165 of 165 (130507)
08-04-2004 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by dandon83
08-04-2004 7:12 AM


Taoism and the mate of matter
Interesting, but I don't see that you've actually cited a verse that mentions male and female non-living things. You cite a verse that uses the word "everything", but state that it is in the midst of all of the verses regarding life. (My interpretation in that context would be that everything refers to all life.)
In any case, since most life on the planet is not "male and female" the verse contradicts modern science.
I'm assuming you've heard of Taoism? Taoism predates Islam by about a thousand years, and the bulk of the teachings of Taoism are much better suited to describing the "duality" of matter than your interpretation of a single phrase in the Quran.
The Yin Yang symbol is not as old as Taoism, but was adopted as a symbol of its philosophy, (and it predates Islam):
This symbol ultimately describes the balance of opposing forces in nature, but also can function as a calendar and celestial chart.
How did Taoists know that the entire substance of the universe was a balance of opposites, a century before Allah passed this wisdom to humankind through the Quran?

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