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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The ToE does not require all species to speciate. OTOH, we are primates, and humans and other primates evolved from a common ancestor. We have speciated, just in the past.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Nothing in science is proven at all. Also, you have made the claim that because humans haven't speciated, and are not showing any signs that we are (according to you, at least), and then seem to imply that this indicated that speciation in humans could never happen. Why not? Also, what about observed speciation in other species? If you accept that microevolution occurrs in humans, just like other animals, what is the barrier which prevents speciation from happening?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Don't hold your breath. He did this in the Yahoo Club. Lots of huge cut n paste messages and no replies when he was shown to be wrong.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jet:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by quicksink: .................maybe I'm an evil scientific drone. Though what you truly are remains an unknown, you are definitely not what, or who, you portray yourself to be. You offer nothing other than the most common and typical pre-teen drivel.[/b][/QUOTE] What kind of 12 year olds do you know who can write like that, Jet?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, I did get a speeding ticket about 12 years ago...
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: LOL!!
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I never grew any lower wisdom teeth, and I consider that quite an advantageous mutation. Let's also remember that there is a mutation that gives people either partial resistance or total immunity to HIV, depending upon if they got a single or double copy of the mutation. I would say that this would be considered a beneficial mutation, and it EXACTLY what is predicted by Evolutionary Biology. Because of massive genetic diversity in our population, random mutations which convey an advantage when the environment changes (i.e a virulent new disease agent has emerged) are selected by the environment. Read more about it here:
http://www.sciam.com/0997issue/0997obrien.html [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-24-2002]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: First, why do you bring up Abiogenesis in a discussion of human anatomy? Second, whether or not something is hard or easy for you to believe has little bearing on if it is true. Third, what you don't know about Biology is a lot. Go here and read it all:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well, it seems that all you are left with is your emotional discomfort with the thought that humans evolved, rather than any evidence either for the notion that Godidt or against Biology.
Argument from Personal Incredulity/It-Makes-Me-Feel-Less-Special. Funny, I think it is utterly amazing and wonderful that I am "evolved slime". What could be more humbling and awe-inspiring than that? ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If I was a population which "wanted" to survive to reproduce, yes. It doesn't matter what an individual in a population "wants"; it matters what makes the survival of the species possible. SCA confers resistance to malaria long enough so that individuals can reproduce.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are correct about back up systems in the brain. This is why people often recover lost cognitive abilities after brain trauma such as strokes. The brain creates new ways to get things done. To address PB's claim... Evolution predicts redundancy in genetic variation; it is no surprise to any Biologist or evolutionist that genetic redundancy exists. I am not sure why you think this is a point against the ToE when it is actually predicted by the theory.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I did a google search; "genetic redundancy evolution prediction" It returned 2,880 hits. Some good ones are are linked below. Remember, my claim is that genetic redundancy is a prediction of the ToE, not a refutation of it, as you claim it is. By providing references to current Biology research which discusses genetic redundancy as a proof of Evolution, I should think my claim is well supported. What YOU have to do is the same thing. Provide research and references which supports your claim that genetic redundancy is not, in fact, a prediction of Evolutionary theory.
http://www.wcci2002.org/cec/acceptedspecial.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/schuster97sequence.html www.cs.sunysb.edu/~skiena/talks/talk-bio.pdf Also found this paper: Nowak, M. A., Boerlijst, M. C., Cooke, J. and Smith, J. M. Evolution of genetic redundancy. Nature 388:167-171 (1997). I could go on and on, but I think this is enough. I look forward to the links and evidence from the professional literature that you provide which reveals that genetic redundancy is a big surprise and redundancy to the professional Biology community. ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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