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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Hi Yaro, That was my experience also. I waded through each page of the link list that was offered in the old thread (2 didn't work). The total "evidence" presented (at least that I could find) relating to the Aqaba site was:
quote: quote: quote: quote: If there was something else someone else will have to wade through all that stuff to find it. Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: I concur. Ex. 14:2 ". . . וישבו (and let them turn back) and camp . . ."
וישבו (v'yashuvu) from the root שוב (shuv)
שוב - vb. turn back, return . . . (in Ex. 14.2) - turn back and do so and so. {The Brown - Driver - Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, F. Brown, S. Driver, and C. Briggs, Hendrickson pub.} Amlodhi This message has been edited by Amlodhi, 08-06-2004 03:58 PM
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Hi Trae, They have a picture.
But it is well known that this mountaintop is not "burned black". Its appearance is due to a well known geological effect. Amodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: But if the shades of light and dark differ depending on exposure, and you've never been to the mountain, how do you know the darker pictures are the more accurate? Also, I think you have misunderstood my post, perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been. Nevertheless, the geological make-up which causes the appearance of Jabal al Lawz is described by Bramkamp, et al:
quote: The top greenstone outcrops are roof pendants of older rocks that have been intruded by the uplifting granite. As is made apparent by the picture in my post. Amlodhi This message has been edited by Amlodhi, 08-09-2004 10:32 AM
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
Thank you, Lysimachus,
Let's summarize: 1. The maximum depth at the Nuweiba site is 800 - 850 meters. We already knew that. 2. Metal detector indicated what was interpreted to be a chariot wheel. Metal rims but not metal hubs? 3. Possible iron oxide associated with coral formations 4. Pictures of bones with no documented determination of age or origin. 5. Assertion: God provided a roadway on the seabed that could be easily traversed. It was very deep - . . . Very deep? I thought you said that before the "earthquake" it was much closer to the surface. Doesn't appear to be much evidence once you delete the superfluous narrative. But thanks anyway. Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: As others have commented, I agree with you on this, buzsaw. I don't care if they run the lab or sweep it. However, I do appreciate bottom-line facts without a great deal of spin or obfuscating verbiage. And if that had been the modus operandi from the beginning, this thread would be about a page and a half long. Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: I agree, Trae. This claim seems to be refuted by every geological survey of the area. ". . . Geologists, who are familiar with the geology of the area, in which Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) claimed to have found Mt. Sinai, would certainly not regard their ideas about Jabal al Lawz being Mt. Sinai a "remarkable geological find." Rather, they would regard their interpretation that the top of Jabal al Lawz had been both melted and charred by any event during the last few thousand years to be a remarkable geological blunder on the part of Cornuke and Halbrook Any geologist looking at the pictures of Jabal al Lawz readily recognizes that the dark-colored rocks shown in the pictures of Jabal al Lawz shown at Bob Cornuke's web page are quite clearly roof pendants of darker-colored rocks intruded by younger, light-colored rocks. In fact if a person examines the published geological maps of the Jabal al Lawz, i.e. Bramkamp et al. (1963) and Trent and Johnson (1967), they would find that these geological maps confirm this interpretation. These maps show the bulk of Jabal al Lawz to be composed of light-colored granite and red or salmon granite. The dark-colored rocks comprising the summits are small areas mapped as (older) greenstone. These greenstone outcrops are roof pedants of older rocks that have been intruded by the red or salmon granite. North of this mountain are additional outcrops of older gabbro into which the granites have intruded." And again: "The descriptions of the units from youngest to oldest in the stratigraphic column within the in the Jabal al Lawz area as given by Bramkamp et al. (1963) are: "gm = Granite. Massive, light-colored calc- alkaline granite, mostly without large dikes, in large discordant stocks and batholiths on the flanks of Jabal al Lawz, Jabal Rawa, and Jabal ash Shati. gr = Granite. red or salmon, coarse-grained, commonly highly altered espcially in the mountains on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Aqaba; widely scattered throught the Underlying granite and granodiorite and cut by many dikes of basalt, rhyolite, and diabase. (This unit intrudes an older granite and granodiorite, unit gg in places). gb = Gabbro. In stocks and sills associated with the greenstone. Some basic intrusives may be younger than the granite and granodiorite unit, gg. gd = Greenstone. Diabase, andesite, and basalt; mostly flows, somewhat metamorphosed to greenschist facies, locally to amphibolite." The greenstone (gd) overlies older folded calcareous and siliceous schist and slate Silasia formation elsewhere in the area. Bramkamp et al. (1963) regards these rock units to be Pre-Cambrian age. It is intruded by the red or salmon (gr) and preserved as roof pendants as observed by both Bramkamp et al. (1963) and Trent and Johnson (1967)." Thus, the darker colored rock at the top of Jabal al Lawz are classic roof pendants. This same geological formation is demonstrated in the picture reproduced in my post # 254. Incidentally Trae, this mountain is not too far away from you.
It is just north of Interstate Highway 40 at a point just west of South Pass and Needles, California and due south of the community of Goff, California. It demonstrates the same roof pendant formation as does Jabal al Lawz. In fact, the geological formation is so similar that most simply assumed that it was Jabal al Lawz in a lighter exposure. "(Thus), essentially, direct observations by both "secular" and religious geologists of the Jabal al Lawz region readily refute the argument by Cornuke and Halbrook (2000) that the top of Jabal al Lawz has been either charred or recently melted. If the rocks on the summit of Jabal al Lawz look "melted" it is because they consist of metamorphosed lava and other extrusive igneous rocks called "greenstone", formed from the cooling of once molten rocks billions of years before the Israelites even existed. This "remarkable find" is actually a remarkable blunder on the part of people, who obviously didn't understand anything about the geology of the area that they were studying." This allegedly "burned" mountain-top, the date and origin of the glyphs, and most of the other "proofs" of the exodus origin of these artifacts has been called into question repeatedly. Yet, the argument still seems to go essentially like this: "We can't actually demonstrate that the Nuweiba site is the exodus crossing, but when taken in conjunction with the Jabal al Lawz site, the combined evidence is overwhelming . . . . . . well, no, we can't actually demonstrate that Jabal al Lawz is Mt. Sinai, but when taken in conjunction with the Nuweiba site the evidence is overwhelming . . . . . . well, no, we can't actually demonstrate that the Nuweiba site is the exodus crossing, but . . . ad infinitum, ad nauseum. At a personal level, I would have no problem with Jabal al Lawz being Mt. Sinai or with Nuweiba being the exodus crossing. But it has certainly not been demonstrated that they are. References: quoted, excerpted & cited: Paul Heinrich Author of: The South African Spheres TalkOrigins Archive - Feedback for December
2003 Bramkamp, R. A., Brown, G. F., Holm, D. A., and Layne, N. M., Jr., 1963, Geologic Map of the Wadi As Sirhan Quadrangle Kingdom of Suadi Arabia. U.S. Geological Survey Miscellaneous Geologic Investigations Map I-200A. U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, Virginia. Scale: 1:250,000. Cornuke, B., and Halbrook, D., 2000, In Search of The Mountain of God. Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, Tennessee. Shelton, John S., 1966, Geology Illustrated. Freeman Press. San Francisco, California. Trent, Virgil A., and Johnson, Robert F., 1967, Geologic map of the Jabal al Lawz Quadrangle, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; U.S. Geol. Survey, Mineral Investigation Map MI-13, 1:100,000. http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html homepages.mohave.edu/science/fieldtrip/marblemtns Amlodhi This message has been edited by Amlodhi, 08-10-2004 09:12 AM
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Conspicuously absent in your link list are any journal references to the geological composition and formation of the roof pendant of Jabal al Lawz.
quote: I think I will spare myself some almost certain frustration and await these concise technical reports. They will be concise and technical, won't they? Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Good luck, Nighttrain. I have asked that question 3 times now and have yet to see any answer. Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Hi ramoss, As you have stated, you are rather new on the board. So I thought it might be well to let you know that, not knowing Ned, you have apparently misinterpreted his post. Ned was simply needling buzsaw a little; that's all. Good to see you aboard, don't be a stranger, Amlodhi
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
I would like a straight-up and effortless confirmation from the proponents of the Moses' altar theory:
Are the pictures provided by jar in his post #458 the petroglyphs from the Jabal al Lawz site? If so, (and a comparison with the picture section in my copy of "The Gold of Exodus" strongly indicates that they are), in Blum's book we are shown only one small section containing only one image; which they, no doubt, selectively chose to represent their preconception. Any surrounding glyphs are either clipped or blackened out. This manipulation of the data certainly doesn't enhance their credibility in my eyes. Thanks jar for the revealing pictures of this site. Amlodhi
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