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John Williams
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Message 136 of 603 (131440)
08-07-2004 9:00 PM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
I would agree.
Proof would be for the actual physical objects to verified and examined and proven to be what they are claimed to be.

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Message 137 of 603 (131443)
08-07-2004 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by John Williams
08-07-2004 9:00 PM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
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jar
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Message 138 of 603 (131446)
08-07-2004 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by JimSDA
08-07-2004 1:42 PM


Re: Shell game and misdirection?.....
I don't think I need to speak with you anymore, jar.
You're extremely ignorant of the reality of the situation of dealing with the Saudis, and if you can't understand these simple truths, then I am totally wasting my time talking with you.
Go to Hell, jar.
So let's look at what you have said so far.
I asked about evidence that the split rock is water erosion instead of wind erosion.
You didn't provide any explaination.
I asked about the glyphs and suggested they might be your best evidence or at least the only evidence that can you can actually produce that might support your assertions, and you responded as shown above.
Yet you expect people to believe anything shown in the video.
If you do not have either the faith or ability to support ANY of what you claim is evidence, how can you expect anyone else to credit the video as more than just an infomercial to sell videos and books, and to line a few peoples pockets with speaking fees?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Nighttrain
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Message 139 of 603 (131448)
08-07-2004 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by John Williams
08-07-2004 9:00 PM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Hey,John, I have a gold mine up for sale. I have a video showing gold in the walls, even 'geologists' who swear this is the greatest reef they`ve seen. I wrote a book about the mine with many photographs showing the evidence. I even include the assay reports done in my lab as final proof. What more could you want? Here`s a chance for a once-in-a-lifetime buy.BTW, I only take cash. Hurry now before it goes.

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JimSDA
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Message 140 of 603 (131470)
08-07-2004 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by jar
08-07-2004 9:56 PM


Give it time, give it time....
jar, give it time. Moller is preparing a 30-minute version of his Exodus material for broadcast on national TV -- when it airs, then let's see what happens.
I think we'll find LOTS of people who will want to particpate in a serious, honest discussion of the evidence --
Unlike the way you guys do it.

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John Williams
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Message 141 of 603 (131498)
08-08-2004 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Nighttrain
08-07-2004 10:07 PM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Are you trying to sell me something? hmm...
Well good luck with your, er, gold...

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John Williams
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Message 142 of 603 (131499)
08-08-2004 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by JimSDA
08-07-2004 11:23 PM


Re: Give it time, give it time....
Do you know which channel that will be on?
Sounds interesting.

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Buzsaw
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Message 143 of 603 (131502)
08-08-2004 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Eta_Carinae
08-07-2004 4:53 PM


Re: Of course not...
These are people who are not versed in how things in the 'real world' work. How independent verification and testing are important pieces of the scientific method. How peer review is important.
And you pros who should know better and who are not versed in the matter at hand should do the scientific thing and set out to scientifically debunk the evidence presented rather than outright reject it. You are the closed minded unscientific acting individuals who attack the researchers doing the work rather than on the evidence.
What we have here is a case of a few nuts (Wyatt etc.) who are known to have fabricated things in the past, who obviously have a huge reason to fabricate (i.e back up their extremist cultic form of Christianity) and are considered fringe elements even by groups like AIG and ICR.
1. How about you, Eta, opening a thread proving your allegations against Wyatt and documenting the specific cases in which you think that Wyatt has deliverately lied and fabricated?
2. I have read the objections of ICR to Wyatt's discoveries and I'm afraid, though ICR is good in some areas they are dead wrong on Wyatt's claims. They've proven nothing. I've corresponded in years past about this and the reasons they gave for rejection are pure biased conjecture on their part. After all, both Henry Morris Jr and Sr have made expeditions to the big Mt Aarat in search of the ark up on the high steeps. Their materials have it that it's gotta be up there and they're still looking there, but that just isn't Biblically the case. LOL! Besides it nuts, imo to think the hoofed animals and such could get off and survive from the rocky ledges.
Then the gullible followers of these people accuse the whole world of conspiracies to prevent the 'truth' coming out and ignoring the 'evidence'. Yet, none of these supporters, is obviously clued in at all as to how scientific inquiry occurs - I'd be shocked if any of the folks on here trumpeting Wyatts' nonsense have as a profession anything remotely related to science.
..........And some of you pros here who claim to be scientists, should aside your bias and begin to act like the scientists you clam to be.

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Lysimachus
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Message 144 of 603 (131503)
08-08-2004 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by John Williams
08-07-2004 6:42 PM


Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
John Williams,
Here's your info. I went browsing throughout both of the old threads and pulled the links where I posted my old messages. There is a ton of info couched in these threads. I also encourage reading the rebuts of the critics as well as the messages that some of my messages were meant to be responses to:
Read Message 81 & 82
EvC Forum: Theory: Why The Exodus Myth Exists
Read Message 149
EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Read Message 170 & 179
EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Read Message 229! (very good) & 240
EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Read Message 247 (Brian’s evidence against Wyatt/Moller’s Thutmosis/Amenhotep theory), and then my response in Message 254:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 263 (underwater landbridge measurements), and Message 267Dating the Wheels on the Sea Bed (VERY GOOD!)
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 274 (the varied silly reasons critics come up with regarding the wheels):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 287 (Brian’s Cognitive Dissonance) topic, Message 300 (My Response, with explanation on Yam Suph):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 302 (Brian), Message 308 (My response):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 330:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 332:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 393 & 394 (regarding contributors to upcoming Exodus Case film, and Document I wrote up on how wheels CANNOT be Assyrian):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 402 (IMPORTANT CHARIOT & BONEPHOTOS!) and Message 403!:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 408 (by Hydarnes), and Message 416 (me) concerning Chariot Wheel inscriptions):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 422, 427:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 447 (by Hydarnes):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 458:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 499:
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
MESSAGE 527 (by HydarnesNotice the CLEAR SIMILARITIES between the Osprey Military Chariot Wheel Illustrations vs. the Gold Gilt wheel identified at the bottom of Aqaba!):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 564 (pay attention to the logic behind this post of mine):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
Message 576 (by Arkeologist):
http://EvC Forum: "THE EXODUS REVEALED" VIDEO
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And for your benefit, here are some of the best websites so that you may get the necessary info regarding the discoveries made by Ronald E. Wyatt:
1. A1 Finds: Noah's Ark, Ark of Covenant and other discoveries!
2. Anchor Stone International - Ron Wyatt, Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Red Sea Crossing, Ark of the Covenant
3. Wyatt Archaeological Research
4. Pinkoski.com – Works of Jim Pinkoski
5. http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/
6. Wyatt Archaeological Research
7. The Hebrew Red Sea Crossing (Exodus)
8. http://www.covenantkeepers.co.uk/
9. Forbidden
10. Forbidden
11. http://www.surprisingdiscoveries.com/
12. Anchor Stone International - Ron Wyatt, Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Red Sea Crossing, Ark of the Covenant
13. http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/...RCMArkeology/6Durupinar.html
14. Ark of the Covenant, Ron Wyatt
All of these links will be valuable information to you!
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Most of these links should work. I provided them earlier, and some got 404 errors. Save them anyway because you never know when the servers may be back up:
In Defense of Wyatt:
1. Page not found – Pinkoski.com
2. http://www.webspawner.com/users/mccoy007/
3. Forbidden
4. Forbidden
5. Frequently Asked Questions
6. Page not found - Anchor Stone International
7. Page not found - Anchor Stone International
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And once again, don't forget to watch the two video clips of Lennart Moller's upcoming Television Series called "The Exodus Case". It is a 3hr/3part presentation that will be aired sometime near the end of this year (according to what Mahoney Media Group told me via email):
2022 -app
Direct link to video clips:
Mahoney Media – Page not found
So there you have it
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JimSDA,
What do you mean Moller has a 30 min. TV program coming out? It clearly says 3hr/3part. Are you talking about something else I haven't heard of?

~Lysimachus

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John Williams
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Posts: 157
From: Oregon, US
Joined: 06-29-2004


Message 145 of 603 (131505)
08-08-2004 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Lysimachus
08-08-2004 1:22 AM


Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Thankyou Lysimachus! I really appreciate your time and effort spent.
I will look through the information and give you my feedback.
again, Thankyou.

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Buzsaw
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Message 146 of 603 (131511)
08-08-2004 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Nighttrain
08-07-2004 10:07 PM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
..... I have a gold mine up for sale. I have a video showing gold in the walls, even 'geologists' who swear this is the greatest reef they`ve seen. I wrote a book about the mine with many photographs showing the evidence. I even include the assay reports done in my lab as final proof. What more could you want? Here`s a chance for a once-in-a-lifetime buy.BTW, I only take cash. Hurry now before it goes.
The problem with your doltish attempt at refute here, Nighttrain, is that it wouldn't be difficult to video a wall with gold in some mine and call it yours. Lots of them exist. Hows about you besting Yaro who entertained us with the corral encrusted valves and produce another shot like we have here of obvious chariot parts in quantity at another location on the planet? LOL!!
It's downright hilarious and laughable to observe some of the desperate tacticts you people resort to and attempt to pass of as refutative debate. Do you imagine you're debating the local school primary dept or what??

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 147 of 603 (131513)
08-08-2004 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by John Williams
08-08-2004 1:26 AM


Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
Thankyou Lysimachus! I really appreciate your time and effort spent.
I will look through the information and give you my feedback.
again, Thankyou.
Yes, ditto!! I have it now in my documents. The work, interest and effort you had to have went to in producing this this is indicative to the quality of input you and your brother have brought on behalf of creationists on this board. Too bad so much of it was lost. At least your willing to pick up move on where many would've simply quit. Thanks very much and may God richly bless you for it!

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Buzsaw
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Message 148 of 603 (131519)
08-08-2004 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Eta_Carinae
08-07-2004 3:12 PM


Re: Wow - you are a tough sell.
Do you accept anything in your life on the flimsiest of eveidence.
Oh ho ho! Listen to the town physicist here, John. He teaches physics. He's a vaaary highly educated dude, John, likely a phd. You better listen up, now, John. Hee's thee athoritee with thee degree, you see.
Does it not strike you as strange that no one else has 'found' this material?
......And John, wouldn't it be even more strange if highly biased people like Eta, such as are most secularist scientists, brainwashed into evolution to even give a dang about proving something supernatural to exist in the universe? Why are'nt they there. Plain and simple-- they're chicken and afraid to go, for what they might have to acknowledge as good honest and objective scientists.
......And think of the devastation it would do to their entire ideological empire?
Or that Ron Wyatt is considered a fraud by even most fundamentalists. Or that this is not front page news the world over as being perhaps the biggest archeological find in history.
Are you so gullible?
Oh, yes, John, do listen to our ever so unbiased and objective mainstream media. Being so open minded, they'd surely be swarming the place looking for anything so they could just retool their secularist empire and begin to think and broadcast in terms of the supernatural.
Btw, Biblical fundies are beginning to see the light here and many are jumping on the truth wagon here. Hopefully ICR will dump their own bias and/or be compelled by the evidence to come aboard.
If there are any ICR (Institute for Creation Research), El Cajon, Ca fans or staff lurking here, hopefully they will come aboard and attempt to defend their position, offering us an explanation for their rejection of the Nueiba crossing and the Arabian Mt. Sinai. I searched the web and came up with nothing concerning them and the chariot parts discovery. I do know they have to be rejecting it as valid since they reject the rest of the corroborating evidence. They however offer no better alternative such as some archeological reason to accept the traditional site in Sinai.
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Nighttrain
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Posts: 1512
From: brisbane,australia
Joined: 06-08-2004


Message 149 of 603 (131521)
08-08-2004 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Buzsaw
08-08-2004 1:54 AM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
[Do you imagine you're debating the local school primary dept or what??]
Just a guess,Buz. Local primary school?
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Buzsaw
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Message 150 of 603 (131522)
08-08-2004 2:59 AM
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08-08-2004 2:50 AM


Re: Re: Wyatt & Red Sea etc.
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[Do you imagine you're debating the local school primary dept or what??]
Just a guess,Buz. Local primary school?
GONG!! No NT, but if you think we are, go ahead and post silly stuff. It's entertaining and gives us a break from being so serious all the time.
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