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peter borger
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Message 1 of 20 (13035)
07-08-2002 7:16 AM


Dear All,
Thesis: 20th and 21st century scientific discoveries shattered the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution, due to:
1) chirality of proteins and information carriers (RNA, DNA),
2) irreducible complexity of biochemistry
3) information theory
4) genetic redundancies
I challenge every evolutionist to seriously rebut this thesis.
To trigger some response: Evolution theory is a 19th century -- on all levels falsifiable -- hypothesis. It did not at all contribute to our understanding of biology.
Best wishes,
Peter
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7691 days)
Posts: 965
From: australia
Joined: 07-05-2002


Message 8 of 20 (13187)
07-09-2002 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by mark24
07-08-2002 12:06 PM


Dear Mark,
The first thing we have to do is to set the rules and make a couple of definitions.
a) What keeps NDT going?
1) randomness and mutation
2) natural selection
3) belief in 1 and 2
b) When does the NDT fall?
1) randomness cannot hold
2) natural selection cannot hold
3) predictions done by NDT are wrong/falsified
Agree?
Furthermore, I expect you to read all articles I refer to, otherwise it does not make sense to continue this discussion.
Peter "obliterating NDT" Borger

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peter borger
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From: australia
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Message 9 of 20 (13188)
07-09-2002 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Peter
07-08-2002 8:45 AM


Dear Peter
The first thing we have to do is to set the rules and make a couple of definitions.
a) What keeps NDT going?
1) randomness and mutation
2) natural selection
3) belief in 1 and 2
b) When does the NDT fall?
1) randomness cannot hold
2) natural selection cannot hold
3) predictions done by NDT are wrong/falsified
Agree?
Furthermore, I expect you to read all articles I refer to, otherwise it does not make sense to continue this discussion.
Peter "obliterating NDT" Borger

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peter borger
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From: australia
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Message 12 of 20 (13204)
07-09-2002 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Joe Meert
07-09-2002 8:55 PM


Dear Professor,
Apparently you did not read these papers, but only skimmed the summary. If you had even started reading the paper by Eisen et al (about Chlorobium) you would have noted immediately in the introduction the sentence: "The Chlorobia have unique mechanisms of photosynthesis relative to other phototrophs". What do you think the word unique stands for in evolution theory?
Please do not copy the opinion of others but be objective and read the articles you refer to".
I invite you to be specific in your references and keep it scientifically (i.e. referencees included).
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7691 days)
Posts: 965
From: australia
Joined: 07-05-2002


Message 15 of 20 (13228)
07-10-2002 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Joe Meert
07-09-2002 11:52 PM


I've challenged Peter and Mark that I will overthrow NDT and now we are setting up the rules and definitions.
By the way, your remaining statements have nothing to do with NDT, so I am not going to respond to that.
Peter
[This message has been edited by peter borger, 07-10-2002]

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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7691 days)
Posts: 965
From: australia
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Message 16 of 20 (13229)
07-10-2002 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by edge
07-09-2002 11:35 PM


Be patient

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peter borger
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Posts: 965
From: australia
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Message 20 of 20 (13301)
07-10-2002 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by gene90
07-08-2002 8:39 AM


see: the scientific end of evolution 2.

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