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Message 120 of 284 (128985)
07-30-2004 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Majorsmiley
05-16-2003 1:19 PM


Its all relative! Are you absolutely certain?
Relativism is the philosophy that denies absolutes. Any absolutes,mind you! Everyone believes that there are many relativities, that some things are relative; but relativism claims that all things are relative. In religion, a true relativist would give equal merit to each and every individual faith revolving around no fixed absolute. God, in fact, is relative to the individual. By contrast, absolute thought would say that God is an unchanging absolute regardless of how anyone perceives Him.

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Message 206 of 284 (132003)
08-09-2004 4:46 PM


It is always preferable to have a good guide with you when venturing into unknown territory. And, for the guide, it is easier if those he is guiding cooperate with him rather than compete with him.

  
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Message 230 of 284 (133238)
08-12-2004 1:15 PM


Absolute dignity vs relative obscurity
jar writes:
People are human. They will behave just about the same way regardless of the system they use as a basis.
Good point. I am reading a good book by Christian apologist R.C. Sproul. He contrasts humanism and Christianity. The Greek philosopher Protagoras issued the motto, homo mensura, "man is the measure."
R.C.Sproul writes:
Since Christianity is also deeply concerned about people,it is at some points difficult to distinguish Christianity from humanism. Both seek the healing of estranged relationships, and both honor the dignity of the human being. However, their bases for dignity are radically different. The Christian sees the horizontal, interpersonal relation(with others) as inseparable from the vertical relationship with God. ...
To establish human dignity without acknowledging the God of creation, the humanist must act in an arbitrary and irrational fashion. If humans rose by chance from chaos, why should dignity be ascribed to them? Since the advent of the Christian faith, humanism has constantly incorporated Christian values and ethics while ripping the heart out of Christianity's theological context. Yet that context is the only reason the values and ethics make sense. To be sure, our experience agrees with (humanists) assessment. It screams that life is valuable and that each person is a creature of immense worth and dignity. That scream is hollow, however, if it comes from a germ with no destiny but death. Human dignity is rooted in the holiness of God;it reflects God's dignity.
I agree with Sproul, for I believe that humans are more than mere evolved animals.
If Genesis shows us a snake that informs us that we shall someday be like God, this implies that evolution included human dignity. While I am no strict creationist by any means, I believe that humanity will never evolve into better and better moral creatures. Our dignity will find its completion in our communion with our Creator.

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Message 280 of 284 (136063)
08-22-2004 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by General Nazort
08-19-2004 5:27 PM


The future of Humanity rests on [Ends justifies Means]
General Nazort writes:
A virulent plague wipes out everyone on Earth, except for you, your neighbor, and his wife and two daughters. Your neighbor is impotent. Additionally, he flies into a furious rage every time to you attempt to procreate with his wife and daughters, and swears that if you manage to somehow impregnate any of them behind his back, he will abort the child. You kill him, in order to ensure the future of mankind.
Upon killing him, you discover that his wife and daughters refuse to sleep with the man that killed their husband/father. You exhaust every possible avenue of courtship, until it becomes clear that they would rather let the human race die out than have sex with you. For the very continuation of the human species, you rape them.
I would be repulsed! Who am I to play God with the future of the species? If we were that warped to begin with, I certainly could care less if the species continued. Life without a Creator is just as unthinking as the non brain in a blade of grass that attempts to push through the blacktop and live on a sweltering parking lot!

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Message 282 of 284 (136091)
08-22-2004 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Silent H
08-22-2004 5:00 AM


Re: The future of Humanity rests on [Ends justifies Means]
holmes writes:
So I am uncertain whether God would not find it worthy to punish the husband with death, and then the women with rape, while carrying out his overriding orders in THAT particular instance.
The OT God, while technically the same yesterday, today, and forever, was described by a people with quite a different worldview than we have today. I too am uncertain how God would view such a scenario.
I DO know that the God whom I pray to and relate with, through Jesus Christ, again the same Deity==has shown me no such similar behavior.

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Message 284 of 284 (136152)
08-22-2004 7:22 PM
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08-22-2004 12:45 PM


no wise man has the power to reason away...your logic.
Good answer! It made me think.

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