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Author Topic:   DarkStar's Collection of Quotations - Number 1
Glordag
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Message 13 of 173 (132177)
08-09-2004 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by DarkStar
08-09-2004 9:52 PM


Re: Quotations - Number 2
Just on a very brief search of both Cohen and the book you listed, I am not all too impressed. Written in 1984, this book appears to have been the source of creationist arguments for quite a while. Basically, from what I gather, the entire point of the book is to say that random mutation is/was impossible due to the high probability against its occurance. This issue has already been discussed in numerous threads, and is false logic. Also, I believe Cohen is/was an archaeologist, not a biologist, though I wouldn't bet my life on it. The rest of you can nitpick at this some more if you choose to, but I think I'll leave it at this.
Edit: Thought I'd supply the links of a couple of sites I visited to gather this information, if any of you care to view them.
http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_top...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/...
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As you can see, one is a forum discussion on the book, and one is amazon.com's listing for it, complete with user reviews. I don't have the time to read the entire book, so I won't attempt to break down every aspect of it.
This message has been edited by Glordag, 08-09-2004 10:57 PM
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Glordag
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Message 16 of 173 (132185)
08-10-2004 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Nasa
08-09-2004 11:59 PM


Ok, you can reason anything out to be a religion if you try hard enough. The difference here is that the theory of evolution has undergone the EXACT SAME process as any scientific theory that is accepted today. Whether you like it or not, evolution is science.
Why you choose to blame entire wars and hate crimes on evolution, I do not know. Imagine that a theory of evolution was not even in existence. Would this prevent such wars and killings? Probably not. The fact is, there are plenty of reasons for people to think they can go on such widespread killing sprees, and evolution is most definitely not the most common. In fact, give us some sort of evidence that evolution -is- the reason for these killings (other than your twisted derivations and assumptions), and you might have a little more credibility.
Edit: I felt the need to mention the words "crusades" and "inquisitions". If you don't know why, look them up.
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Glordag
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Message 25 of 173 (132201)
08-10-2004 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Nasa
08-10-2004 12:24 AM


As has already been said, the TOE has nothing to do with the origin of life, and listing a bunch of quotes proves nothing. Reading through the quotes, I can definitely spot some problems, but seeing how as you listed a full pages worth or more, I feel compelled to simply not respond. How about you think of an argument against evolution yourself and supply some evidence. If you do this, I'll consider debating with you, but I simply refuse to point out the flawed logic and misquotations from however many sources you choose to dig from.

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Glordag
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Message 29 of 173 (132205)
08-10-2004 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by crashfrog
08-10-2004 12:40 AM


ROFL!!! Oh man, I'll have to remember to nominate this for the post of the month if I don't see anything better (;. That was just hilarious. *tips his hat to crash*

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Glordag
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Message 35 of 173 (132213)
08-10-2004 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nasa
08-10-2004 12:46 AM


quote:
matter coming alive
The TOE says nothing about "matter coming alive". Any textbook claiming otherwise is incorrect and should be reported as such.

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Glordag
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Message 39 of 173 (132217)
08-10-2004 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
08-10-2004 12:49 AM


I do not believe I am religious, either, by the standard definition of the word. But then, we both realize he is just redefining words to suit his purpose. If everything is a religion, though, I rather enjoy being of the one that has supporting evidence.

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Glordag
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Message 41 of 173 (132219)
08-10-2004 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Nasa
08-10-2004 12:55 AM


Don't tell me you're redefining "supernatural" or "natural" now?
From http://www.webster.com (Merriam-Webster online dictionary):
quote:
1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary...
If you believe in God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil, then you believe in something supernatural.

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Glordag
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Message 45 of 173 (132223)
08-10-2004 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
08-10-2004 12:59 AM


quote:
Do you have beliefs about the supernatural? For instance, do you believe in God?
Welcome to Religion-town, population you.
Nope, I don't think I believe in anything supernatural. I especially don't believe in God. I think you probably mistook me for Nasa . I'm agnostic, through and through, though you could always argue (especially if you're Nasa) that agnosticism is a religion.

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Glordag
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Message 47 of 173 (132225)
08-10-2004 1:07 AM
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08-10-2004 1:05 AM


It doesn't even DEAL with the origins of life. How does attacking something it never even mentioned mean it doesn't have solid foundations?

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