Have they done so?
Yes. Why you went on to ask all members, when I said practically all (which means it was not all) I have no idea. And no they weren't all western.
You do know that even some prominent Palestinians have gone off on it as well? No?
becuase you allege that the Palestinians are corrupted by killing civilians - as if this were some great and unusual crime.
I have said none of this. They corrupt their moral position in this conflict, not themselves, and while I do view it as criminal it is neither great (on the scale they have used it) nor unusual.
In fact what you are doing is saying that both Israelis and Palestinians are killing civilians, but you choose to make a pooint of crticising the Palestinians for doing so.
This is the biggest bunch of BS I have read in a long time. Take a look at what thread we are in dingbat. I am responding critically to someone who was hyping the use of certain strategies, tactics, and alliances by Palestinians.
Why on earth would I then start critiquing Israeli strategies, tactics, and alliances?
I have on NUMEROUS occasions and in more than one thread, ripped Israel for all the above. So much so that Percy has said I am a zealot for the Palestinian cause.
My critiques are not one sided at all, and if you want to see more clearly who comes out on top as far as being in the right, just open a proper thread.
Isolated opportunities do not make a general case by any means.
Self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever I read one. It doesn't take a genius to note that if one puts one energies into NOT doing X, that the few times one does X it can be called "isolated opportunity".
Certainly attacking actual targets of military value will be of more "isolated opportunity" than other targets, because they are more specified. That does nothing to mean they are unattainable and the easiest targets become valuable.
The Palestinians are refugees - the war that made them refugess has been formally over for a long time. This has not stopped the Israelis from assaulting the Palestinians in their refugee camps, and it is unsurprising that the people resist. I mean what do you want them to do? Just stand there and get shot, is that the only moral course of action in your eyes?
Uhmmmmm... not all Palestinians are refugees. And I never said they should just stand there and get shot. That is a strawman you keep building for me.
I have been for the arming of such camps and the defense of them by Palestinians. Heck I'd love to see some international forces put in place so that such incursions cannot occur.
None of this makes attacking random civilian centers a valuable military objective. Infact it has consistently played into Israeli strategies.
Israel could disengage and de-escalate at any time, and CHOOSE not to; IMO Israel is precisely engaged in ethnic cleansing and would not refrain from genocide.
While it is a fact that they did commit genocide when first creating Israel (1000s of years ago), and some are certainly up for the task today, I do not believe that is the case with most Israelis.
I think the extremists in charge are acting criminally, and Sharon is certainly a racist war criminal, but I don't think genocide of the Palestinians could ever enter reality. Unless for some reason the American public becomes outraged and willing to kill all Palestinians as well.
It is the quality of the point, not the mental process of the articulator, that is relevant.
This is true. But I was pointing out that the very quote would not support means that were not effective, and the irony (which says nothing of right or worng) of quoting a guy that truned his back on the very type of thing you were advocating. In fact I believe he continued to use the quote AFTER disengaging from extremism, making people understand that critical review found extremist action UNnecessary.
Thus demosntrating that you parse all Palestinian statements through a presumptive filter.
Wait, knowing people in that region don't say what you say and don't support what you support and say what you support is extremist, means I am falling for some US/Isreali plot? Hahahahahahahaha.
The only assumption I make is that I need to hear from a lot of people on all sides and evaluate the facts.
As to whtehr the Israleis have kileld MORE Palestinians in the process, ther is no reasoin to believe they would have killed any less had there been no resistance and no intifadah. Indeed, I fully expect they would have killed more, had there been no resistance.
This is BS. Sharon played the extremists on both sides like a fiddle. Without the compliance of Palestinian extremists, he would not have gotten a greater mandate from Israeli moderates to take his form of "justice" which is unequal collective punishment.
Israelis getting scared does not mean that Israel's existence is threatened by any way shape or form. I can successfully scare a bear into a cave with a series of loud explosions. If I continue into the cave and keep it up, I will probably NOT be walking out of that cave.
As far as I can tell Palestinian Extremist strategy has only made Israel more dangerous a foe... which is exactly what Sharon is counting on.
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