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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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Read Ecclesiastes 1:6. It is interesting that Solomon was familiar with the planetary winds that had them going from south to north and then back south again. Not a huge deal, we may conclude. But I find it interesting. which might well be interesting if it were correct. Too bad that the global winds are east and west and not north to south. That's the problem with trying to fit these so called predictions and knowledge into the real world. They simply do not fit. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
[cliff on]Well as the cognisti know, in the beginning, the Earth rotated North to South. That's right, North to South. All the great winds blew from the South and then turned around and headed back.
It was only after the startup after the Earth stood still that the rotation changed. One of the Angels, Mickey I think it was, got things screwed up and spun the sucker wrong. That's where we get the term Precession for the changing of the seasons because Mickey didn't have any.[/cliff off] Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Planetary winds are neither South to North OR North to South.
And that is the point. The verse you alluded to:
Read Ecclesiastes 1:6. It is interesting that Solomon was familiar with the planetary winds that had them going from south to north and then back south again. Not a huge deal, we may conclude. But I find it interesting. is yet another example of errors in Biblical text. It is why the Bible cannot be taken literally. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
"He hangs the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7 shows nothing. It is the same non-statement you can find in any myth. That is not a scientific statement.
"He....sitteth upon the circle of the earth." Isaiah 40:22 Circle, not sphere. You got nothing there.
"To make the weight for the winds." Job 28:25 Nonsense. Anyone who has ever felt a breeze couold say the same. PG, you have nothing. The Bible is not a science textbook. finally
The real mystery of the atom does not involve its benumbing mega-power, but rather "why does the atom not fly apart?" Scientific knowledge says it should, but it does not. Some scientists are wondering what puzzling power, completely unknown to them, is holding it together. Again, pure nonsense. Of course folk know what holds the atom together. Please take time to look at the four forces. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sciene[SIC] requires much faith. Simply wrong. In fact, Science is based on questioning and not on faith.
It requires 100% faith that what you think will happen, does happen, that you have not overlooked something,(faith in yourself), that you can count on the qualities of the substance you work with. Again, simply wrong. That is why one of the basic requirements of Science is repeatability. Any new discovery is considered tenative until and unless it can be independantly tested. that is why so much effort goes into checking the qualities of the substance you work with, and for accounting for things like impurities, specifications and quality. Finally, your statement that...
It requires 100% faith that what you think will happen, does happen,... is simply crap. Advance comes from the unexpected. The whole history of science is one of overturning what everyone knew was right. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First, the best estimate I have been able to come up with is that Daniel was written somewhere around 605-536 B.C.
Let's see how Daniels does as a History source. First, the Medes and Persian, Babylon and Greece were all pretty well established empires when it was written. Afterall, Daniel was written over a hundred years after the Iliad. So I am not surprised that it mentions what were world powers at the time. I did not find the mention though of Rome in either 2, 7 or 8. Perhaps you can point it out? PG No one is saying that there is not historical references in the Bible. There most certainly are. But there are also many glaring Historical errors. Time after time things are mentioned as historical references which simply did not happen. Some examples are the flood, the battle at Jerico (if it did happen it did not happen when the Bible says), the Exodus (if it happened it was certainly several orders of magnitude smaller than the myth), the story of Moses in Egypt and on and on. Sure there is some history in the Bible, but like the Iliad and many other stories from the period, it takes external corroboration to seperate the truth from the fiction. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
DarkStar
The topic is the investigation of Biblical Science errors. So far you have not refuted any of the scientific errors that have been introduced. It is easy to alledge some vast conspiricy, some predispostion on the part of the participants. But to support such an assertion, you must show some logical or rational structure. You cannot simply say "Nah-nah-nah. You're wrong and I'm right". The issue is not whether or not there is any science in the Bible, the issue is that there is so many errors in what passes for science in the Bible that it is an unreliable source. Science, to be of any value, must increase knowledge. It must provide a way to understand what was previously unclear. It must more adequately explain observations than the previously held theory. If you know of examples from the Bible that can do that, please present them. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
these posts.
Message 1Message 13 Message 22 Message 31 I'll add a few more. Why is there the story of a Flood that never happened, a Creation myth that has every thing wrong and a desciption of an ship that could never have floated? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Better this way.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You bring up some very good points and one that completely defines why Evolution is Science and Creationism a myth.
"Evidence" has power to convince, only as the person considering the "evidence" places value on it in his OWN MIND. There are many people who have already made up their minds and so will not be convinced by evidence, no matter how compelling.
The road to Truth not only depends on the person's choice of a route, but also on the presence or absence of preconceptions in one's mind as to what Truth IS. Fortunately, Science does not deal with TRUTH. It is only those who have already decided that they know TRUTH that would make such a statement. If you have already decided what is TRUTH, then you have already precluded ever learning.
Example: When Copernicus and Galileo showed "evidence" that the Earth rotated around the Sun, rather than the Sun rotating around Earth, he received great criticism and persecution, even though they had ample data to prove the viability of this theory. And the criticism came from those who knew the TRUTH. As throughout history, once again it was shown that those who knew the TRUTH, were just plain wrong. History continues to show that those who know the TRUTH are most often wrong. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In your post, it seems that you take Truth to be what people THINK is true. This is not what I am looking for. If this sort of "truth" were my goal, it would change constantly, as people are changeable, while Truth is not. And that is why you're unlikely to ever learn anything. Science is simply trying to learn. We never quite get to TRUTH, but little by little we learn more. The knowledge we do gain is constantly changing. Often we find that we have been totally wrong. Then that happens, we throw out the old theory and search for a new, better explaination. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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