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Author Topic:   Problems with an Infinite Universe
RingoKid
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Message 91 of 95 (133883)
08-14-2004 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by nipok
08-14-2004 12:13 AM


Re: but what...
sorry for the off topicness...
I actually think most religions are coming to the end of their use by date as they are no longer capable of defining the nature or processes of the Creator. Seems all that is left is obsolete practises and lies. My ancestors (polynesians) converted wholesale and radically adapted their hierarchal structure of governance to accomodate western religion within 4 generations of the introduction of christian missionaries only enough to suit themselves though.
Given that, it wouldn't take much to change current thought on religion and substitute it with a personal spirituality dictated by reason, logic and an awareness of the divine that defines everything in our universe.
All we gotta do is stop buying into the bullshit that leads us around like blind sheep to the slaughter, start questioning things a bit more and acting accordingly.
I have faith that Man is capable of radical change and ready for it.
OK I'll get of the soapbox now...
cheers

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Mission for Truth
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Message 92 of 95 (134725)
08-17-2004 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by RingoKid
08-14-2004 5:36 PM


Re: but what...
Maybe an infinite universe could work by going down to the size of a quark which is universe-size for some other very small thing, and so on. lol.

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nipok
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Message 93 of 95 (134861)
08-18-2004 4:40 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Mission for Truth
08-17-2004 3:29 PM


Re: but what...
Oh but surely you jest. That could never be possible. In order for that to be even remotely possible then principles of time dialation would require the smaller and smaller particles slowly approaching the speed of light as you went down smaller and smaller inside the subatomic layers to provide for the creation and destruction of a universe much like ours in the matter of a few seconds where time to the universe a trillion to the billionth power times smaller than a muon may last to them like 120 or 140 billion years.
Nah, thats too far fetched. That would mean that there could be an infinite number of universes inside every atom and our universe is just one of an infinite number of other universes like it.
OH, I get it, the jokes on me.
Hah, thats a good one.

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Mission for Truth
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Message 94 of 95 (134982)
08-18-2004 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by nipok
08-18-2004 4:40 AM


Re: but what...
lol..

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nipok
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Message 95 of 95 (136458)
08-24-2004 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by nipok
08-18-2004 4:40 AM


Re: but what...
After doing some thought on the subject I think I have a better way to approach this discussion. I think that we can break down all possible options as to the nature of our universe in two categories. In doing so maybe by deductive reasoning or by process of elimination there is a possibility to deduce that one option is so much more likely than the other that even though we can't prove it we can use it to base further speculations from.
So I submit there are two options for the universe.
1) A bounded or unbounded space-time continuum or Universe, that maybe a sphere, or may not be a sphere, that contains all there is, all there was, and all there will be surrounded by a void. That encompasses all viewpoints that include our space time continuum existing inside a void and outside our space time continuum is a void that may or may not be defined by the principles of our X,Y,Z, and time coordinates. This encompasses all viewpoints that see our universe as bounded and not existing in a void but not being infinite in all directions.
2) That our space-time continuum either exists in tandem with other space time continuums or exists inside a larger space-time continuum. Going this route encompasses all viewpoints that relegate our known universe to become a space-time pocket or a self-contained self-relative pocket of space-time. This also includes any beliefs in an infinite Universe in all directions and galaxies like ours exist in an infinite number of directions.
I cannot find any other option that does not fit into one of these two categories. So lets toss around for a while this concept. Is there a third other option that does not fall into one of these two categories?
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