Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Giant People in the bible?
Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5190 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 46 of 352 (133909)
08-14-2004 7:39 PM


Listen, you guys are not listening to me. Ron Wyatt does not claim this jawbone as evidence. He realized he would have no case. Until the team is able to get in contact with the people who removed it from the hotel lobby, WAR has no case. As you will notice, this jawbone picture is not even available on any of the Ron Wyatt sites. I am shocked that John William found it...my question is...HOW?

~Lysimachus

  
Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5190 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 47 of 352 (133911)
08-14-2004 7:43 PM


As for who has analyzed these bones, I have no clue. I talk to my friend Andrew Jones almost everyday, and he says that he even has some giant bones.
He even said that he gave the rest of his sulphur balls away from Sodom and Gomorrah, but that he still has some giant bones left of which he obtained while he was in the middle east. Is this evidence? Of course not. Just telling you what he told me.
Perhaps there is something to all of this. Perhaps not. Time will eventually tell.

~Lysimachus

Replies to this message:
 Message 51 by John Williams, posted 08-14-2004 8:12 PM Lysimachus has not replied

  
lfen
Member (Idle past 4677 days)
Posts: 2189
From: Oregon
Joined: 06-24-2004


Message 48 of 352 (133912)
08-14-2004 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by jar
08-13-2004 1:54 PM


Jar,
I'm trying to remember a book on child psychology I read years ago. Hopefully it will come to me but it talked about children's fears of monsters and giants and how some parents tried to banish fairy tales to prevent nightmares. The psychologist pointed out that all us humans are born into a world of great giants looming over us, frustrating our intentions and they can be very scary...these giants are our parents and other adults.
Hopefully my memory will eventually kick the book title out. I can sort of see the book. The word "years" (the something "years") I think was in the title and the author was a woman.
Anyway, I think the notion of giants can be found right there in our childhoods.
lfen

This message is a reply to:
 Message 38 by jar, posted 08-13-2004 1:54 PM jar has not replied

  
John Williams
Member (Idle past 4998 days)
Posts: 157
From: Oregon, US
Joined: 06-29-2004


Message 49 of 352 (133916)
08-14-2004 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by CK
08-14-2004 10:37 AM


Re: Lysimachus
I guess the only way to find out if those bones still exist is to contact the Wyatt museum in Tennessee. I've tried to contact them by email but haven't had much success. Maybe the phone will work better.
I am open minded to the possibility that the bones do exist, and I am also open minded to the possibility that they are nothing other than some animal bones. But Until the bones themselves can be authenticated or un-authenticated by reliable individuals of credentials, I don't consider it solid evidence of giant human bones.
The same can go for the giant human jawbone in Turkey.
But let us consider. If the jawbone described was 6.5 inches wide, That is about 25% wider than most peoples mandibles. Therefore it could have belonged to an individual with a very wide face, and even if they were proportionate to their wide jaw, they most probably would have stood between 6.5 and 7.5 feet.(An extremely tall human) but no 12-14 foot giant.
You see, no genuine evidence to my recollection has existed which has ever proven that men 12 feet and beyond ever existed. I am open to the possibility and indeed intrigued with such an idea, but we must face the facts that modern science requires genuine bones and remains and not simply stories of them being discovered.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 45 by CK, posted 08-14-2004 10:37 AM CK has not replied

  
lfen
Member (Idle past 4677 days)
Posts: 2189
From: Oregon
Joined: 06-24-2004


Message 50 of 352 (133918)
08-14-2004 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Lysimachus
08-13-2004 2:06 PM


Evolutionists are constantly have to reshape their theories,
I am shocked! shocked to learn of such a scandalous state of affairs! This isn't how science is supposed to be done! Why aren't those evolutionist doing what all the other "good" scientists are doing and reveal the total truth about the universe in one easy explanatory book that is true for all time once and for all???
as creationism just doesn't allow it stand solid
Oh! I see it's the creationist who are responsible for all the advances in science. Lucky thing we have you prodding those dumb scientist along.
Some "new" explanation always has to be invented from different angles so that the theory does not fall.
They are a fast talking bunch those evolutionists craftily coming up with one fallacious sales pitch after another cleverly covering up there lack of any evidence but at least creationist are keeping them busy and out of the laboratory and field. Wouldn't want them making any of the discoveries that satan goes around planting in his spare time.
The simplicity of this argument utterly demolishes the Theory of Evolution. Let's fire those silly biologists and close their departments, take the money and build more Bible Colleges to teach the true bible science and do something about all the sick people using faith and prayer instead of all that biological mumbo jumbo based scientific medicince and surgery.
This is real progress!
I've so understated this,
lfen

This message is a reply to:
 Message 40 by Lysimachus, posted 08-13-2004 2:06 PM Lysimachus has not replied

  
John Williams
Member (Idle past 4998 days)
Posts: 157
From: Oregon, US
Joined: 06-29-2004


Message 51 of 352 (133919)
08-14-2004 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Lysimachus
08-14-2004 7:43 PM


Re: Lysimachus
I found the picture from a website, and then posted it on my own.
Lysimachus, you know someone who claims to have some giant human bones in his posession?
If you could convince him to take some pictures of them and post them on the net, that would be absolutely great.
I am very open minded and would love to hear anymore information about this.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 47 by Lysimachus, posted 08-14-2004 7:43 PM Lysimachus has not replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 52 of 352 (134103)
08-15-2004 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Lysimachus
08-13-2004 1:22 PM


Sadly, they returned and the giant bone on display was MISSING!
Hey, your side really are a carelss lot aren't they?
Is there anything that they haven't lost?
Brian.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by Lysimachus, posted 08-13-2004 1:22 PM Lysimachus has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 53 by jar, posted 08-15-2004 4:21 PM Brian has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 53 of 352 (134105)
08-15-2004 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Brian
08-15-2004 4:17 PM


You're being way too hard on them. It's only evidence that might be verified, dated or examined that gets lost.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Brian, posted 08-15-2004 4:17 PM Brian has not replied

  
Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5190 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 54 of 352 (134106)
08-15-2004 4:23 PM


Some Goodies
Alright folks, I have some treats. I wouldn't say a feast, since a feast would mean overwhelming evidence. Perhaps someday soon, these treats will eventually lead to the "feast" we've all been waiting for.
I emailed Jonothan Gray and asked him if he could send me the picture of this "giant jawbone". He responded me with precisely what I requested, PLUS a bit more. Here is what he had to say along with the attachments he sent me:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Marcos,
Please find attached the picture you requested.I have not placed it
on the web yet, because of other projects which are of a higher priority at this time. It is true that we have not been able to track its present location. The jawbone picture, unfortunately, was not taken with something to compare its size. I did not personally take it. And it was on display when members of our team were staying
at the Erzurum Hotel, and the next time we came back, it had gone. They did not tell us what happened to it.
Attached is another picture of a coffin with a 12 foot mummy in it which was stored in London's Broad-street goods depot for some time, was photographed by a reporter, then published in Strand Magazine in 1895. (Notice its size as it leans up
against a railway passenger carriage.)
Best wishes
Jonathan
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting stuff indeed. Feel free to add these pics to your collection as they are rare prizes.
This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-15-2004 03:24 PM

~Lysimachus

Replies to this message:
 Message 60 by sidelined, posted 08-15-2004 5:42 PM Lysimachus has replied
 Message 61 by CK, posted 08-15-2004 5:54 PM Lysimachus has not replied
 Message 69 by John Williams, posted 08-15-2004 8:43 PM Lysimachus has not replied
 Message 81 by contracycle, posted 08-17-2004 5:19 AM Lysimachus has not replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4959 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 55 of 352 (134108)
08-15-2004 4:36 PM


Add this too
lighten up.
This message has been edited by Brian, 08-15-2004 03:47 PM

Replies to this message:
 Message 56 by Lysimachus, posted 08-15-2004 4:44 PM Brian has not replied

  
Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5190 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 56 of 352 (134110)
08-15-2004 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Brian
08-15-2004 4:36 PM


Re: Add this too
Okay Brian, please. Can you please delete your post? I want this discussion about giants to be serious. At least Jonathan Gray provided a source of which magazine it was published in. You never know--this might or might not be true. These are things we all need to be open to.
This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-15-2004 03:44 PM

~Lysimachus

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by Brian, posted 08-15-2004 4:36 PM Brian has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 59 by jar, posted 08-15-2004 5:32 PM Lysimachus has not replied

  
Coragyps
Member (Idle past 734 days)
Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 57 of 352 (134113)
08-15-2004 4:55 PM


There's a five-foot-long "human femur" on display up the road from me at Crosbyton, Texas:
Page not found – Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum
(near the bottom of that page, or on the "tour" page.)
Unfortunately, it looks like it has much the same proportions as a normal-sized human's femur, which would mean it couldn't support the weight of a twelve-foot "giant." But that's just details......

  
Lysimachus
Member (Idle past 5190 days)
Posts: 380
Joined: 05-30-2004


Message 58 of 352 (134117)
08-15-2004 5:01 PM


More info regarding the giant mummy can be found here:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape2.htm#a1
Plus, a lot of good info on this site:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape1.htm#a0

~Lysimachus

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 59 of 352 (134122)
08-15-2004 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Lysimachus
08-15-2004 4:44 PM


Re: Add this too
Lysimachus writes:
I want this discussion about giants to be serious.
So let's examine a few quotes from your sources.
Modern ‘experts’ firmly reject the idea that there have ever been entire races of giants
That certainly seems reasonable.
I read through the whole link you supplied but was unable to find any evidence that there were any real indications there were ever Giants. Instead there was just a collection of hoaxes, suggestions that such evidence might be hidden away at the Smithsonian, and cases where the exhibit has disaapeared for some reason.
So seriously. Do you have any evidence that there was a race of Giants?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 56 by Lysimachus, posted 08-15-2004 4:44 PM Lysimachus has not replied

  
sidelined
Member (Idle past 5908 days)
Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 60 of 352 (134124)
08-15-2004 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Lysimachus
08-15-2004 4:23 PM


Re: Some Goodies
Lysimachus
(Notice its size as it leans up
against a railway passenger carriage.)
Dude You really need to be more observant. The coffin is not leaning up against the railway carriage,however,the ladder is. The base of the coffin at the "giants" feet is flush with the ground and so is perpendicular to that ground. Notice also that the rungs of the ladder get smaller towartds the railcar indicating perspective shrinking.
The coffin is doubtless a foreground object giving the appearance{but not the reality} of being tall.Welcome to the wonderful world of photography and the personal deception than can occur without close attention to detail.As for the jawbones there is no known object size available to judge by however such a photo is easily faked if one wished to do so.This could also explain the lack of a reference object but of course is not the only explanation.
P.S. You might also notice that the coffin appears to be on a box since the base of the ladder appears to descend below the level of the coffin base.;}
This message has been edited by sidelined, 08-15-2004 04:46 PM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 54 by Lysimachus, posted 08-15-2004 4:23 PM Lysimachus has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by Lysimachus, posted 08-15-2004 6:48 PM sidelined has replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024