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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi H,
Oh boy! Multitudinous apologies. Hey, it is no problem, I can see how Josephus' writings could be misunderstood, and we all make mistakes. But, given that the Amarna Letters do not support a 5 year military conquest of Canaan during the period they cover, 1400-1350 BCE, do you then accept that the biblical account of Joshua's conquest (at face value) is incompatible with the evidence from Amarna? If the 'conquest' was after 1350 BCE, and thus would not be covered by the Amarna Letters, do you then accept that the Conquest has to be after 1350 with the Exodus taking place 40 years previous to which ever post 1350 date is suggested?
See, that's what happens when you're too into this stuff!! I understand all too well, I learned my lesson the hard way a few years ago and that lesson was to triple check the sources yourself and if possible use primary sources. But, forget it and let's move on. Brian.
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
quote: But my failure to verify the source is just inexcusable, considering that this subject is one of great focus for me . I'll respond to your contention a little later. This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 02:29 PM
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
quote: Yet not without earning it.
quote: *sigh* I'll add one more lie to your towering tally.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I'll respond to your contention a little later. No probs, I actually start back at school tomorrow after almost 8 weeks summer holiday so it will be the weekend before I have time to catch up with myself. Brian.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
I'll add one more lie to your towering tally. Please supply the details of 3 such lies. Either you or PaulK will be suspended for such behavior. You made the claim so you supply the evidence. Thanks.
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
Brian,
quote: The term "Habiru/Apiru" had a very wide application, and because the Israelites, at a post-Exodus juncture, would have certainly been referred to as "Apiru" abroad, it is not unreasonable to propose the strong possibility, especially in view of the larger historical and archaeological picture.
quote: If you read the context more carefully, "joining" in this respect could equally mean to be "overcome" or "destroyed". My other suggestion, notwithstanding. I see nothing here that belies the Biblical record, despite your zealous assertion.
quote: I think you're taking this one quote for granted. If we accept a conquest scenario at happening precisely during this, something we may never be able to determine with absolute certaintly, it is not unlikely at all, especially considering the enormity of political confusion and disarray as is represented in the Amarna letters overall, that Rib-Addi did not have impeccable information as to what was happening with Hazor, or its king. There will always be written material in the historical records that seem to portray conflicting and differing pictures of similar events, and while I'm not claiming that they cannot wield some credible authority when it comes to establishing events, it conversely cannot be taken as a decisive indicator. You should recognise it as it appears on the same page that you have attained almost all your information.
quote: Not to perpetuate this red herring, but I'm terribly disappointed that you have somehow justified a way to accuse me of plagiarism, especially in light of the fact that the only portions I quoted were those that pertained to content existent in the original Amarna letters themselves, and certainly do not require giving credit, unless of course, you think that the crime is in a failure to credit the actual amarna correspondences themselves. I was unable to find a more handy source at the moment of the more esoteric portions of the amarna letters elsewhere on the net, and I think it's rather presumptious and careless of you to acribe me with "plagiarism," keeping also in mind that I quoted nothing indigenous to the document, only the convenient references.
quote: Repeating your original position does not negate my post addressing precisely your objection.
quote: If the Israelites were not originally inhabiting Canaan, and they were earlier slaves of the Egyptians, then how do you disqualify their entrance into Canaan as an "emergence"? Your statement solidifies nothing.
quote: You couldn't be more mistaken and misinformed. Since our original dialogue pertains to the Amarna letters in particular, I will refrain at this moment from elaborating on the extensive archaeological investigations that have significantly established the credence of the Biblical record as a historical document. I had originally planned to discuss the issue of Jericho and Ai in your thread, but now I'm ambivalent with the notion of composing an article that addresses all of the more pertinent archaeological aspects of Joshua's invasion and how they strongly correlate with the Scriptural record. I'm sure I'll decide sooner or later.
quote: Accept my concession. I had never been able to interpret that verse to arrive at the allotted time 5-7, but after carefully deducing the years, I concur with the conclusion. I will take it as an incentive to ensure that all my forthcoming data is verified. Besides, you deserve to have some shots up on me, considering you're 21 years older than yours truly .
quote: I think your misconception concerning the "elimination results" in the region is directly related with the [erroneous] conclusion, on your part, that assumes a complete Canaanite extermination, something that Scripture itself rejects. I will be addressing these issues in an upcoming document.
quote: You are again mistaken on this point, as usual. And I say that without arrogance. P.S. Forgive the delay in responding to you on this, I just discovered shortly ago that you had replied to my former post, and heretofore didn't notice its presence. This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:29 PM This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:30 PM This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:32 PM This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:46 PM
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
AdminNosy,
Paulk’s original accusation:
quote: I subsequently asked him to refrain from making this allegation, because it is wanting for any justifiable proof. He in turn replied with:
quote: He has provided no evidence of this instance that should deserve a more dignified identification than that of a lie. This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:39 PM This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-18-2004 04:43 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Hi Hydarnes:
I suspect your crisp and clear answer will be ignored as are all evo-secular implications of lie. "lie" accusation = sting of truth and inability to refute with evidence and source cite. WT
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
deleted by author (Brian has a good thread and I don't want to spoil it - but it was a good gag).
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-18-2004 04:51 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
"The Common Backround of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations" by Professor C. Gordon.
The book is voluminous evidence that greek writing and culture originated from Hebrew via Egypt/Palestine, source: The Peneteuch. Your brazen assertions contrary to the thesis of the source, besides confounding the evidence/arguments also assumes Greek civilization somehow pre-dates Hebrew. Genesis is called as such for obvious reasons. Semites armed with Peneteuchal origin flooded the entire Near East and according to Dr. Gordon are responsible for the Grecian spring of culture and knowledge. All this supports the Biblical scenario of Adamkind starting close to the source of life/knowledge/God and His choice of Abram and Isaac and Jacob and Joseph/descendants to possess His largess of blessing which was exported to the ancient worlds.
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
quote: And we also musn't forget the ideological partiality embraced by the dear admins patrolling this board.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
And we also musn't forget the ideological partiality embraced by the dear admins patrolling this board. You know, that's a common accusation, but when we beg - literally beg - for creationists and other adherents of "minority" ideologies to step in as admins, none of them ever step up. If you're so concerned about the partiality of the admins, why don't you ask to be one?
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
???. . . Semites armed with Peneteuchal (sic) origin . . .???
{chuckle} . . Is that some esoteric way of admitting that you can't come up with the quote?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
That's one potential lie but perhaps we should wait for the backup. It isn't a lie unless someone can not substantiate it at all. I think PaulK should back that one up. Unfortunately, you've jumped the gun yourself.
Now you need a couple more at least.
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