What is supernatural?

As I said, yah, some like myself know, but science is not interested enough to check what we think we know out. Again, they know we know about Aqaba, but no interest on their part. Have they checked out wicca events and spiritualist levitation, etc? How interested are they about Carl Baugh's human artifacts imbedded in coal and ohter stuff he has? Have they been there at his place to refute his claims?

Jar, you illustrate by example exactly what I've been trying to say. Thanks. Your attitude is typical of most secularists including the professionals toward researching the supernatural dimension which exists in the universe.

Except for one thing. I'm not a secularist. LOLYou see Buz, you make these claims but then everytime, reality intrudes and refutes your assertions.If the Exodus was ever shown to have happened, it would still not prove the supernatural.

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I just wanted it to be absolutely clear, I guess.So what you're saying is that nothing at all is supernatural; there's simply an order of existence that we have yet to scientifically confirm; and this is the residence of angels, demons, etc?Well, that's certainly a unique answer to my question, I guess. What would it take, in your view, to falsify your position?

See previous comment about this. Document how such knowledge can be reproduced independently by others. Conspiracy theory paranoia? What I saw of the Aqaba "evidence" looked badly contrived, was not properly documented (What is the location of the wheels? What dating method was used to verify their age?) and essentially relied on hearsay from unreliable witnesses, among other problems. See previous comments about extrasensory perception studies (levitation is included under telekinensis). Note that there are special effects people and professional magicians that have regularly taken such "demonstrations" apart and shown how they were faked. See http://members.aol.com/Paluxy2/whatbau.htm for some other opinions about the veracity of Carl's claims. The Paluxy "Man Track" hoax is particularly well known, and anyone who still stands (as Carl does) by such flagrant misrepresentation of the truth when the refuting evidence has been pointed out and is easily verifiable cannot be ignorant, but must be either stupid, deluded, insane or malicious (which includes suckering the gullible to make money). Why should anyone think that any of his "artifacts" are not just more hoaxes for the willingly deluded? If you trust Carl for anything I feel sorry for you.It would appear that your standard for accepting evidence for what you want to believe is lower than your standard for accepting evidence that refutes it.Enjoy.

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Largely, yes. James Randi's offering 1 million bucks to anybody who can demonstrate conclusive paranormal powers.He's had no takers.That's obviously not a conclusive example but there's a significant history of paranormal research; its typified by a total lack of any evidence that paranormal claims have any merit. How interested is he in submitting them to scientific analysis? How often has he done so?

crashfrog Actually he has one taker,Slvia Browne a psychic whom he cornered on Larry King live.I watched that show and witnessed her agreement to it.
James Randi has a clock running at his website showing the number of days since that event for which she has yet to answer. As of today{08-21-04}this is what it reads.Do you suppose anyone here would be willing to take the challenge?This message has been edited by sidelined, 08-22-2004 01:49 AMThis message has been edited by sidelined, 08-22-2004 01:50 AM

Then why do you always debate on the behalf of secularists? Says you, but your allegation here is not reality. If the Biblical account of it happened it most certainly was supernatural. You're not posting rationally, Jar. Are you taking your meds?

Buz:If it was shown that there were Hebrews in Egypyt, that those Hebrews left Egypt, how would that show the supernatiral?

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Well me friend, if you hadn'ta backed yourself into a corner by misconstruing my post you might not have gotten yourself in checkmate here. Better reread carefully my post which plainly states that from our perspective there can be the supernatural.

Jar, please take your meds, then go and read the WHOLE account of the Exodus and get back to me if you still think there's nothing supernatural in the Biblical account.

Thanks for being compassionate, but have you seen them? They are obviously imbedded in coal and so far as I'm aware, no scientists are challenging that it is not bonafide coal.

BuzPlease answer the question.If it was proven that there were Hebrews in Egypt and that they left, how would that show the supernatural?The topic is "What is supernatural"You have asserted that if it was proven that the Exodus even happened, it would prove the supernatural. I believe then that a reasonable question to ask is, "If it was shown that there were Hebrews in Egypyt, that those Hebrews left Egypt, how would that show the supernatural?"

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Jar please reread message 68 carefully. You said if the Exodus can be proven to have happened it wouldn't be supernatural. My response was that if the Biblical account of it happened it would be supernatural. You have my answer. Please stop bugging me about this.

What evidence would prove the supernatural?What incidents in the Biblical account could be proved and would prove the supernatural?

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